WCL Results?

[LMITCHUM]

Anyone know ow the wonderboy did?

Larry

[Megan Thompson]

Larry,
Stephen did not fight this go round, but Kevin Engel did and he beat the breaks off of Pete Spratt. Congratulations Kevin!! There were also some other great fights but I wont get into it!! ;)

[dayne]

Did Dan Erickson fight this time?
Dayne Hearn

[Jenna Droluk]

No, Dan Erickson didn't fight, either. Some of the people who fought were (and I know I'll forget a lot of them)-- Randy Pogue, Ronnie Copeland, Kevin Engle, Charles Baines, Tim Connors, Ryan Madigan, Dusty Miller, Hector Santiago, Alicia Ashley, Raymond Daniels, Freddie Pool, Pete Spratt, Mike Pombiero, Mike Shepard, Thomas Longacre...

That's all I can remember off the top of my head. The fighters can probably fill you in on more.

[fighterzack]

I don't know any of the other's results, except Randy Pogue. I had called him Wednesday to give him a little s***/pep talk, and he let me know then that he had taken a knee to the body in sparring, with one of Khunpon's guys, and had busted/dislocated some ribs. I told him to act as if it wasn't there, the chances of him getting hit the same place were negligible. He texted me back late Friday- surprisingly, he had taken a knee to the ribs and could not continue. :( Fighter luck, also known as Murhy's Law. Better luck next time Randy. Sad part is, he had come down to Greubel's MMA and sparred with all of us, and looked great. Moving well, throwing lots of punches and kicks, perfect for that league's rules and scoring.

[irishguts]

I wanted to hop in here and wish Mr. Randy Pogue a quick recovery. I was at that WCL fight and it was quite a shot to the ribs he took. I dont think this was mentioned earlier, he was fighting Thomas "Thunderkick" Longacre.

I know, I know I was the one who mentioned this name earlier when Thomas beat Jeremy Harminson in Tulsa. Unfortunately, instead of stirring some talk and respect for "Thunderkick"s skills in the ring all I got was excuses that Harminson was dinged up and hurt going into the fight.

So, now Longacre gets a shot at Randy Pogue, beats the man and what do you know lightning strikes twice :eek: (no pun intended), Thunderkick. Before I hear anything about Thomas even so much as his name mentioned as winning. I hear excuses about a dinged up Pogue.

I understand that stuff happens. But, please this is 2 for 2.

So, basically all I am asking is for people to understand that Thomas "Thunderkick" Longacre is the real deal, and two Champions make history not excuses. :D

[fighterzack]

Mr. Guts,
First, I did not know who Randy was fighting, I just knew Randy said he was a "legkicker". I also was not saying anything derogatory about Longacre, for all I know he is a true badass. My point was, that Randy had told me about having his ribs cracked, and on his right side, and sure enough he took another knee there. That was it- maybe he would have recovered if he hadn't taken the previous shot, maybe not, we'll never know. Now to the next point- this kid has just handed two of the best a loss, as you have pointed out. If he continues like this, all you will be hearing is accolades for his fighting. But for the two fighters he has fought, we are used to seeing them win, and so to speak the truth, as I did, about Randy being injured, was meant as no disrespect to Longacre- as I said, I did not know that was who Randy was fighting. The real test will be to see if they want a rematch with him, since he now has a win over each, and it doesn't look like the offers are flying at Longacre...I for one am impressed and look forward to his next fight.
Respect,

[Mr. Media]

zack, don't apologize here, this guy fought and beat randy pogue. :confused: he is a full contact fighter, NOT A KNEE FIGHTER. :eek: so where is the room to brag here? :rolleyes: cheers he beat harminson, but who else in the muay thai ranks has he beat? :cool:
not an attack, i'd just like to know. and irish guts, why should these guys, who are firends of randy talk about your man thomas? thats your job, not theirs. ;)

[mouth of the south]

How did ronnie copeland do??? does anyone know all the results?? peace out! mouth of the south :cool:

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=irishguts] I understand that stuff happens. But, please this is 2 for 2.

So, basically all I am asking is for people to understand that Thomas "Thunderkick" Longacre is the real deal, and two Champions make history not excuses. :D[/QUOTE]
It's unfortunate that the only two fights we've heard about "Thunderkick" being in were with two already injured fighters. No one is saying he is not as good as you say he is, just the facts that both of his opponents were injured when stepping into the ring. That says a lot about them, as fighters. They were injured and didn't call their fights off by whining about their injury, instead they got in the ring and were still prepared to do their best.

I'm sure many are anxious to see "Thunderkick" in a match with a fighter that doesnt have any recent injuries so the fight can go the distance. If he is as good as you say he is, he will have his chance eventually.

[Megan Thompson]

Mouth,
Ronnie lost 1st round TKO. I think he got his jaw broken

[fighterzack]

That is too bad, Ronnie is a tough guy, and a top fighter. Who was he fighting?

[Jenna Droluk]

Ronnie fought Raymond Daniels. I don't know where he's from, but he obviously has a great spin hook kick to the jaw!

[Michael Dean]

Raymond Daniels has won multiple World Titles from multiple organizations in Sport Karate. Ex. NASKA, NBL etc... He was born and raised in California. He and another Sport Karate great, Jason Tankson Burley have made their contact fighting debuts in the WCL with out any amateur experience. Jason's hometown is Chicago. Raymond and Jason have been good friends for many years, and train and compete with and against each other for many years. They are the two top Sport Karate Fighters of their generation hands down. Jason started off with a loss against Craig Oxley, but came back with a vengeance against an excellent FC Fighter in Shannon Hudson. These boys appear to be no joke, and are representing the Sport Karate Community well. At first I wondered how point fighters without full contact experience would do against fighters with that experience, and I thought it would get ugly. After “Wonderboy” darn near killed one of them, I thought it was going to become a nightmare. I'm going with the Bruce Lee theory! It is not the Sport or the Art that one practices, it’s the practitioner that matters. I hope that Ronnie Copeland is alright. He is a great Martial Artist and Fighter as well. Godspeed Ronnie!

Sincerely, Michael "The Steamroller" Dean

[Ronnie Copeland]

I did not think that we were supposed to talk WCL her anymore but since my name was mentioned. I appologize in advance to the IKF and Steve. You are right Micheal the upper tear point fighters are no joke. I knew that Raymond was a fast mother. The WCL rules do not allow for any stalling. The two ways I could combat the speed were movement to keep him off balance(which was not an option in WCL with the passivity rule) or go to his ass. Since most point fighters cannot box. I chose the later. I came hard throughing leg kicks and hands I was told that was working pretty good. As Raymond hit the red he spun off of a lead leg round kick and hit me with a jump spinning hook kick in the jaw. The kick knocked me down I got up on 9 and the ref waved it off. Which was probably a good thing considering at that point I realized that my jaw was broken. Raymond is the fastest person that I have ever been in the ring with sparring or fighting. Just like I told the camera on the way back into the locker room I will be back. I think the mixtureof the three disciplines of fighters ie kickboxers, sport karate, and the mma guys is going to create some awesome fighters. I will be one of them. I regret that I could not help my team earn more points. All of the guys on the Vegas team are great guys form different backgrounds and coach Dale Cook is a great fighter and coach. As far as me I got my teeth wired together today to correct the break. I will be eating through a syrenge for the next couple of weeks but should be healed and ready to go for the next west coast event in May. LV will have to fight either Denver or Dallas. So that means I could be fighting Charles Baines or Travis Johnson. I am excited about the whole project this IS the real life best of the best. In a couple of years the level of the fighters will be off the chart. I look forward to improving my game. Just like the K-1 guys fight each other all the time and take turns winning I think this will be the same way. I am a student first and I have my notepad out. I look forward to the next meeting with Raymond. I was in the best shape of my life for the event. I weighed in at 193lbs. Hats off to everyone at the event for the best event yet.

[irishguts]

Zack, I appreciate your honesty, and I did not take what you said as an insult to Thomas. You are right he is a new name and a new face and there [SIZE=4]will[/SIZE] be more to come. I do hope Harminson and Pogue would consider a re-match, though I am sure that the results would be similar for both of them, TKO and an early exit. I am not just speaking blindly either. I know how strong and fast Longacre is. He trains like no other and prepares for the best.

Mr.Media, I dont know what your problem is. "who else in the muay thai ranks has he beat?" as if Jememy Harminson and Randy Pogue are scrubs. He took on the best and came out a winner. I know there may or may not have been pre-existing injuries, but the point remains 2 champs accepted their matches, stepped in the ring, and both were not able to finish the fight. As to "why should these guys, who are firends of randy talk about your man thomas?", well because character people who believe in the sport will recognize a good fighter, friend or not. I believe many of the people associated with this message board are not only friends but fight fans. So, for those interested in the future of the sport look out for Thomas "Thunderkick" Longacre.

Out. :cool:

[Ronnie Copeland]

Thompson vs Daniels will happen soon in the WCL. I now have been in the ring with both guys. Daniels is the faster of the two but Stephen has the power advantage. In a two round fight it will be explosive.

[jean-luc]

Yes, I must confess I’ve been really impressed by Daniels speed and kicking ability, judging by the video clips I’ve seen. This being said, Stephen, too, is fast, he can probably kick as hard as Daniels and maybe harder and he should in principle have better hands. My money would be on the Wonderboy but, of course, I might be biased, I’m not neutral.

Ronnie, just a question : do you think your jaw will be healed on time to allow you to be at the next WCL event, which is now, as far as I know, scheduled for the beginning of May in CT ? It would be great because I might well be able to cross the pond at that moment and take a few days leave in New England.

[MikeRick]

Does anyone know how Daniels did with the alternative and who it was???

[Cellar Fight Team]

I would LOVE to see a Wonderboy vs. Raymond Daniels matchup! I'm a point fighter turned kickboxer and I've grown up competing on the point karate circut watching Raymond just pure out class people (unless he is sparring someone like Jason Tankson I think he gets bored, and he starts finding ways to kick people while doing aerials or other acrobatic tricks). He has great speed and kicks, and the thing he is most known for on the circuit is his "blitz" across the line, to attack his opponnents with his hands.

It sounds like the format of the WCL would be favored by the point fighters; so after this whole season thing is over, we should have a promoter try to match these phenomenal point fighters up in a real kickboxing fight. They've fought their entire careers on a big open floor one round at a a time; lets see how they do when they get cornered by the ropes and have to fight a couple of rounds consecutively.

Just my two cents worth...

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[Randy Pogue]

Hey all! I just got back from traveling, and still have limited internet access.
The WCL was a great experience, but I wish I had more than one minute of mat time to show for it... maybe next time.

Irishguts, I think you should understand why Thomas isn't getting his props here. Aside from WCL, all his fighting has been in Tulsa. He may have a great record and be a good fighter, but who would know? I know alot of people around the country and globe, after over a decade as a pro fighter, but I don't know anyone who has fought him, anyone who has seen him fight, or anyone who has heard of him. No one on here knows anything other than he beat an injured IR guy, or whatever Harminson is, and he kneed an injured FCR guy. It's not that no one thinks he isn't good, they just don't have enough to go on... yet.

That being said, I think he's a very good fighter, but not from fighting him. We weren't at it long enough for me to have any opinion of him. I watched some of his 2nd WCL round on tv, & his stuff looks clean and sharp, plus he can take a good punch. I also saw some of one round between the other two guys at our weight class, and I think Thomas is those most talented of the three. I'm not predicting he will beat them both, but I think he's the most polished.

The best compliment I can give him is that someone who saw all of his second round said that he fights like me, so he MUST be good. Ha! Seriously, though, someone said, "he moves like you move," so I think it will be great for us to meet up again.

To be fair, though, let's recognize that I'm at a disadvantage. I've been kickboxing a LOOOOONNNg time, but I'm totally an FCR guy. I don't kick legs, and I don't throw knees. I think he and I will be a good WCL matchup if we're both healthy, but I wouldn't want to fight him IR or MT, and I don't think he would do well at all against me in a 12 round FCR fight.

Ray Daniels was great! Very smooth, and very fast.

[Randy Pogue]

I'm amending my position on the WCL. I think it's awesome for kickboxing. I've been wondering for a long time why sport karate guys, with great kicks and timing, don't get involved with kickboxing. Maybe the WCL will be a gateway for them. I think if some of these guys do well in WCL, and/or if some current kickboxers get to see techniques that are working against experienced pro fighters, then the level of kicking ability in kickboxers may go up a notch or two. Kickboxing matches will become more exciting for the fans if we have more fighters throwing high-level techniques on a regular basis. I remember watching Marco Sies knock out George Bustamante with a step-thru spin hook kick to the temple over the summer and thinking, "why don't more guys throw those kicks."

Maybe it's time.

[Ray Thompson]

Randy,
That is the message I have been preaching since my beginning into the kickboxing game. More exciting kicks. As for Daniels/Wonderboy match up. I've heard that he has called the Wonderboy out. Better be careful what you wish for. Ronnie as far as Daniels being faster than the Wonderboy, you havn't experienced the Wonderboy at full speed. Boy this is gettin gooooood!!

[Ronnie Copeland]

Ray,
You know that I want Stephen to win and I think that he will.

[ENGEL]

I just wanted to say that the fights in Vegas were awsome!!!!!! I have never seen such great action packed fights. It was one of the most fun times I have ever had fighting.
I would love to see Daniels and Thompson fight that would be a high paced entertaing fight. This was the first time I've seen Daniels fight but I believe that Thompson would just be too much for him. I would love to get a chance fight both of them at some time in the future. Nothing makes you better than fighting other great fighters.
Just wanted to say that it was great to hang out with Randy and Ronnie and I hope you both heal fast so we can all fight together next time.

[Ray Thompson]

Ronnie,
I know that you want Stephen to win but as I have said you have not experienced the Wonderboy's full speed. This is NOT being disrespectful to you nor did i take your statement as being disrespectful either, I know you, you tell it like you see it BUT in this case you have not seen the whole case. How's the healing going? Kev, hope to give you another chance at the Wonderboy but you will have to come up in weight. It is all I can do to keep him at 188. GREAT job in Vegas!! MAN a kick to the head!!!

[Ronnie Copeland]

I feel you brother Ray! I am healing up pretty good. My teeth are wired shut and I am hungry as hell but other than that I am fine. After making weight in Vegas I was ready to eat like crazy for a week or so. I weighed in 193lbs dryed out on thurs was back up to 204 to 205 on friday, now after a few days of liquid diet I am down to 197lbs today. When I do get to eat again it is going to be ugly!

[Randy Pogue]

Kevin,
it was greathanging with you guys out in Vegas. Really nice work in your fights. Hopefully, next time Ronnie and I can hang out with you guys in the winners circle instead of trying to party in the emergency room.

[Ronnie Copeland]

Wait a second, the ER party was pretty cool too!

[Craig Smith]

Just curious, were the karate guys of which I guess Daniels is, that impressive. After reading some of these messages it seems that some credit has been given to these Sport Karate Guys from the likes of some of the more experienced Full Contact Gent's.

[Michael Dean]

Craig, some of the Sport Karate Fighters are doing well and are starting to adapt. I'm sure with time it will get better for some, and worse for others. The three that come to my mind are the two I mentioned earlier, Raymond Daniels, and Jason Tankson Bourelly. The one I forgot to mention is that of Carlos Tearney. These fellows are bringing some heat into the ring. They are definitely upper tear Sport Karate Fighters. Jason Tankson Bourelly is a friend of mine. I trained with his him and his father Sport Karate Legend Shihon Larry Tankson. They are good people. I must admit that at first I was worried about Jason jumping in there without the full contact experience. He is very fast and a tough young man. He seems to have stepped up his game in a short period of time. Only time will tell if the full contact game is for these gentlemen. It's not for everyone, and that's the way it should be.
I agree with Ronnie and Pogue, they will definitely bring a new style into the arena. Just like early Kickboxers, they will learn to adjust to new training styles and fighting styles in order to survive in this new game. I don’t believe that the techniques that they will bring into the arena are anything that we have not seen in the past. It is the way they set things up, their speed, timing, and acrobatics that will be difficult to get used to. At the same time, some of these things can also get them hurt. The main technique that a good point fighter posses as mentioned in an earlier post is their front blitz. They have great closing speed. We all know that this works well in point contest, but can get you KO’ed in a fight. Most point fighters will need a lot of work getting in and out of range with effective attacks. Working plenty of combinations should distract the hell out of them. You don’t want to play their game. As Copeland stated, most of them are not good boxers. If you look at most of the pictures on the WCL website, you will see the dropped hands of the punching fighters a great deal. I’m not BSing look for yourself. Counter punching with combinations and leg kicks will be a nightmare for them if they don’t adjust their style and defense accordingly. Only time will tell!

Ray, as far as Stephen and Raymond Daniels, if I where Raymond I would not run off at the mouth to a warrior like Wonderboy. Not even for hype! This could be hazardous to his health. I have seen Raymond Daniels compete in Sport Karate many times. I have meet him many times. He is an excellent martial artist. I believe that he is faster than Stephen. Stephen is much stronger a fighter, and has great speed as well. Stephen is a complete package and is the real deal. I’m not all hip on the way they score the WCL. It is obvious that with an open ring and only two well rested rounds a night, that speed, movement, and quick flurries can win you the rounds on points. These qualities are something that a good continuous fighter posses. Yet I believe that a good FC fighter also posses these same qualities. All Kickboxers will have to adjust to this new set of rules as well. It is the contact that Kickboxers are more used to than point fighters. I’m not sure if they judge damage to your opponent the way we do in Kickboxing being the favorite. If the reason for the way it is set up is to keep the action going, than bouncing around and hitting and running should not exist if you want to be victorious. That should induce contact and create opening for banging! If this is the case and Raymond stands toe to toe with Stephen, we all know what the result will be. Also Ray, in a 5-10 round full contact fight, Stephen would kill Raymond! No offense to Raymond, I still love you man! This is just my honest opinion. Tell Wonderboy that I said hello!

Sincerely, Michael “The Steamroller” Dean

[Craig Smith]

Thanks Mike for the update, it all seems to be coming together.

[Ray Thompson]

Mike,
Thanks for the props on the Wonderboy. Your whole post spells it out about the WCL, sport karate fighters and kickboxers. The concept of the WCL is to have non stop action and there formula is what it will take to achieve that. The mix of fcr, mt, ir and sport karate fighters will prove successful, at least I think so. It is a NEW mixed martial art fighting style. The mixing of the various "striking" stlyes will make for some VERY exciting action!!!
As for the Wonderboy he will surely do all he can to be victorious in all future matches regardless of his opponent. Again, Thanks

Roll on big bro.

[LMITCHUM]

Mr. Dean: No disrespect but Mr. Daniels faster than the Wonderboy? I have heard a few guys that sparred with the Wonderboy state that see his legs or fist leaving them before they can react. Zack told me he got hit and did not see it coming until it was leaving. No disrespect to Mr. Daniels but has the Wonderboy not answered all the folks who have challanged him? Ray is correct; individuals need to be careful when it comes to people talking about the Wonderboy. There are several fighters out who have been put to sleep from his slowness and for calling him out. Please give us some names of people who could beat him right now at his weight. Hell, he is ready fro the World title shot and must of us know this.
Bottom line, lets seem them fight and I will wager $100.00 on the Wonderboy puts him to sleep with his slowness and then donate the money to a charity.
Ray: I have said this several times, you need to change his nick name because he does not fight like a boy.........yea I know he is your boy.

From a fans perspective,
Larry

[Randy Pogue]

Christ on a bike!

Isn't it enough to be the best kickboxer in the world? Does he absoutely have to be seen by all as the fastest kickboxer ever? As well as the strongest kickboxer ever? The kickboxer with the best kicks ever? I suppose he also has better hands than any kickboxer ever.

He's the best kickboxer I've ever seen, but I'm sure there are harder punchers in the world. He doesn't have the greatest hands I've ever seen. I've watched him fight, live and on video, on numerous occasions, and I think Ronnie may be correct that Daniels is faster, having watched both of them fight at full speed, and not just because Stephen punches me in slo-motion.

Stephen has better timing and is, in fact, the best kickboxer in the world, pound for pound, but I think Ray is probably faster.

So there. :p

[StevieD]

Randy,
You sound a little like you may have a man crush?

[fighterzack]

But wait, Randy, is it a 10-speed or like, a Harley? I'm just trying to get the visual right...

[Randy Pogue]

Zack,

Jesus rides a unicycle, and he is quite an accomplished juggler.

How's that for a visual?

[Jason (fight geek)]

Randy,
So who is faster, Jesus or Stephen? :eek:

[Randy Pogue]

Jason,

I can't really say. I mean, I could say, but I'm hesitant to compliment one for fear of offending the other. I don't want to start a holy war or wind up with a price on my head.

I even hestitate to call it a tie, as I think each is to be addressed only in superlatives.

I think the only thing I can safely say is that the extreme speed of either of them would be a very close second to Chuck Norris.

[Michael Dean]

Larry, no offense taken kind Sir. Please take three deep breaths, clear your mind, and re-read my post again. I’m sure you will then see that I never mention the words “slow” and “Wonderboy” anywhere. I will paste a couple of phrases from my post, maybe because the post was so long you did not read it all! “Stephen is much stronger a fighter, and has great speed as well. Stephen is a complete package and is the real deal.” Great speed by no means translates into slow. Complete package pretty much cover everything else, doesn’t it?

I’m sure that you don’t know my whole story, or anyone else for that matter. So I will write up another long post to read! LOL. I come from a Traditional Karate background. I am one of Master John Sharkey Jr’s Blackbelts. I’m not sure if you have heard of him or not but he the head of the AKA (American Karate Association). Some of John Sharkey’s Black Belts include Sport Karate World Champions Michael Chaturantabut, Matthew Mullins, Craig Henningsen, Michael Belcher, and Suzann Wanket to name a few. I also have trained off and on with Sport Karate Legend Master Larry Tankson from Chicago. As a child, I loved to watch the old school American Kickboxing of the past on TV. After graduating from College, I found more time on my hands for a passion that I left behind in my past! (Martial Arts) With Football now being a thing of the past, I needed some physical activity in my life. I went back to the dojo and the journey began. One night after Karate, I caught some old re-runs of K-1 on TV. This drew my interest into Kickboxing. So you see folks, K-1 did get the IKF at least one fighter interested in the sport who will admit it. So a friend of mine was telling me about the IKF and Rob Zbilski’s regional tournament. It also happened to be coming up in about 16 days! So being as brilliant as I am, I called up Rob Z and told him to count me in on the regional. He asked me the basics, how many fights do you have, who do you train with, etc… After I answered him back, he told me that I should train first before I jump in there. He also told me that the only other Super Heavyweight signed up for the regional was a very tough fighter by the name of Mitch Matrasko. I told Rob no problem, I did not mind getting in there and fighting Mitch. Rob said he could not stop me from doing so, but it would be best if I trained for Kickboxing first. (I had never even had my hands wrapped, wraps or gauze!) The only fighting experience that I had was street fighting. From what I understand, that is something me and Craig Smith have in common. I did have success in point karate, but that is not contact fighting experience. I entered the fight with Mitch looking pretty good for about maybe 60 seconds before I started to wind out. Then Mitch gave me a good beating and lesson as well. To be competive in any sport, one must train for that sport. I owe a great deal to Mr. Matrasko. After the regional, I started training with Rob Zbilski. This turned out to be a great move for me. I owe all of my success in the ring to Rob Zbilski. I had a few months to get ready for the Nationals and make a come back. I do not like to lose at anything! Yes, I said anything! I trained hard but fate struck and I pulled my hip flexor just a couple of weeks out from the 2003 Nationals. Mitch went on to win the Nationals in 2003 respectively.

After I healed up, I got another brilliant idea. I was going to win the 2003 IKF North American Tournament in Greenville, South Carolina. Since I had not been training because of my hip, and my trainer (Rob Zbilski) already had other commitments. Rob thought it was best if I waited for the next years Regional. That would give me plenty of time to get ready. Being one of the most stubborn individuals alive, I told Rob I would drive down and fight if I had to go alone. I told him that I understood that he could not go, but I felt that opportunity was knocking at my door. Being the great guy Rob is, he had me call Jessie Finney and ask Jesse if he would corner for me. Jessie was going to be there for a World Title Fight between his fighter Kevin Engel and Stephen Thompson. Jessie, being the great guy that he is, said he would corner for me. Needless to say, I think you know my story from there. Since I am not “The Complete Package”, a compliment of that pinnacle is not in order!

So here is why I am telling you all of this. I meet the Thompson’s at the 2003 North American Tournament. The same day I meet Jessie Finney and Kevin Engel. I had the pleasure of being around both camps that day. This was a great experience for a fighter that boasted a 0-1 record coming into this tournament. At the tournament, they had it set up in the back with two private sections for the fighters. The day of the Tournament I spent the morning with Jessie Finney and Kevin Engel. They are great guys and very Professional. Seeing the bond between the two, and the way they were getting prepared for the fight was a great experience for me. Before my first fight, I was put in the same section that that Stephen Thompson was in. I spent a couple of hours around Stephen before the fight and it was something watching them getting ready for the fight as well. I have seen Stephen Thompson’s speed warming up and in the ring. He is extremely fast. He has fought eleven pro fights and four team fights since then. I’m sure that he has gotten faster and is to date a better rounded fighter. This is a fair judgment call for anyone to assume.

I have also seen Raymond Daniels fight at Karate Tournaments from very close distance on many occasions. He has lighting fast kicks and the fastest front blitz that I have ever seen. His back-fist has blinding speed as well. I also point out in my earlier post that the front blitz will eventually get the point fighters in trouble. The straight backfist is not even legal in Kickboxing, I’m not sure about the WCL. I have never seen Raymond box and don’t even know if he can. This is not the speed that I was referring to in my post. Remember, Raymond Daniels is not a Boxer or a Kickboxer. I’m sure that will change for him now. He will up his game and learn more about Kickboxing Combinations. I’m also sure that Raymond has improved since I have seen him last. He is training hard as well. I will make a bet that Raymond can run a forty yard dash faster than Stephen if you want. I will donate the winnings to charity as well. LOL! Before anyone asks, no, I have not seen either of them run! Just trying to be funny, I’m not a betting man. I have children to feed! I’m sure that you all know by looking at me, I never like to miss a meal.

Larry, as far as Stephen and a World Title Shot, I could not agree with you more. I would love to see this happen soon. There is no doubt that he deserves it. Mike Nevitt will be 35 years old in May of this year. We need to get this fight going before it is too late. Anything can happen in the fight game, especially at Nevitt’s age. I would like to see Stephen fight for an occupied title, not a vacant one. Time is of the essence. This has the makings of a great fight. If it happens, I hope to see you there.

Sincerely, Michael “The Steamroller” Dean

[StevieD]

Mr. Steamroller,
Thanks for the background info...Stephen will stop Raymond within two rounds.

[Craig Smith]

Michael, Street Fighter is not all that bad, I have been called that My whole Life, Hell if you grew up in the Gang I did, you would have to be a Street fighter. Some people look at street fighters in a bad way, I hope you dont.

[LMITCHUM]

No offense to anyone but: How about Mary on a motorcycle? My opinion is just that, an opinion. This what I like about the board, we all get a chance to type our views. Thanks for the responses.
On a more serious note: Randy, I hope you and Ronnie are healing up well! Both of you are good for the sport of kickboxing. Randy it takes a lot of balls to get in the ring when you are competing injuried. Much respect to you for keeping your commitment to fight that night in Vegas. You could have easily backed out and not fought.
Zack and Stevie: Are both of you going to be available on April 15th. I thought I would invite both of you and your wives over for the steak dinner I owe Stevie( I have not forgotten). I was thinking about renting the UFC PPV and we could watch Forrest and Tito go at it. Just a thought.
Mr. Dean: No disrespect to you and thanks for the reply. We will just have to agree to disagree. I still believe the Wonderboy is faster. After I wrote my post, I read your post again. You are correct....my bad. When I wrote slow.....I really meant FAST...I was being sarcastic. The only way to really know is to let them fight and compare it then. I do believe that would settle it. If I am wrong then I will donate $100.00 to your favorite charity. Fair enough?

Larry

[Randy Pogue]

Gangs? Street fights?

I don't really think that Craig Smith & his sister having their Barbie dolls "fight" each other on the sidewalk counts as streetfighting.

The closest Craig Smith ever came to membership in a gang was when he unsuccessfully tried out for West Side Story in high school.

I should also mention that he went out for Halloween last year as "Ryu" from the "Streetfighter" videogame. Craig Smith's Hadouken is world-class.

[Randy Pogue]

OMG Larry!! WTF???

Jesus jumping on a pogostick, no one said "better." OK?

No one is saying that Daniels will beat Stephen. Just "faster." It's ok that Ray is faster. Stephen will survive not having the status of "fastest living human." And how could you POSSIBLY disagree? Have you seen Ray fight, live or on video? Let it go.

Chances are about 95% that Daniels is faster than Stephen, and here is all the evidence I have as proof. So far, the only people on here who are absolutely certain that Stephen is faster than Daniels have never even been in the same room with Daniels... must be Republicans.

[StevieD]

"Gang"..."Streetfighter"...I prefer Underground Martial Arts Expert specializing in the Chinese throwing star...HY YAH!!! :cool:

[StevieD]

Randy,
I thought I saw Stephen one time...but he suddenly vanished.

I think he now lives with Chuck Norris.

[fighterzack]

Wait a minute Randy- jumping on a pogostick? Or correctly riding a pogostick, jumping up and down??
And what if they are not Republicans, but moderates, middle of the road, but lean slightly to the right?
Anndd, Craig Smith looks GRREATT in those blue jeans, tight white t-shirt, and slicked back hair... but watch out for his switchblade comb.

[LMITCHUM]

Ok: I will tap out..........
Larry

[Craig Smith]

You guys are Killing me! Why is it that I seem to be the Butt of all jokes here! Randy, I am not going to tell everyone about the time you asked me to get in the Hot Tubb with you. Ronnie then jumped me in my bed thinking it was my sister, I wish he had taken that Lighter out of his pocket. And Zack, You know you want me! I still think you are upset that Ronnie and Randy remind you of your Girlfriend. OK how about big Mike, what is the answer to what you said about you and I being alike, I guess when you were in the Mirror house you looked in the Mirror that makes you long, so you thought you were hung like me!!! HAHA

[Michael Dean]

Craig, having something in common with me is not a bad thing! This comparison is to one of your earlier post! I have a memory like an elephant! LOL! No I don't look at it in a bad way. I learned a lot of important lessons on the street that can't be taught in a gym or dojo. Like how to get the crap beat out of you by a group of people. Hey, it's all good. But I must admit, all this humor on the board has made me laugh very hard. Hope all is well!

Sincerely, Michael "The Steamroller" Dean

[Michael Dean]

No disrespect taken Larry, I believe in the Wonderboy as well. I have never doubted his fighting ability. Your opinion is well respected from me! After all, you are the only one on this board that picked me to win my third title last year, like I said, I have a memory like an elephant! I will also tap out on this one. Hope all is well and look forward to seeing you again soon.

Sincerely, Michael "The Steamroller" Dean


Mr. Dean: No disrespect to you and thanks for the reply. We will just have to agree to disagree. I still believe the Wonderboy is faster. After I wrote my post, I read your post again. You are correct....my bad. When I wrote slow.....I really meant FAST...I was being sarcastic. The only way to really know is to let them fight and compare it then. I do believe that would settle it. If I am wrong then I will donate $100.00 to your favorite charity. Fair enough?

Larry[/QUOTE]

[Craig Smith]

Well now, at least I am not being hammered again. I keep getting these emails from Ronnie Copeland about joining the WFL! Can somebody explain what that means?HAHA. I think I know what the "W" Stands for (World), and I think I figured out the "L" ( League). It is that "F" that is messing me up, although I think Richard Simmons is one of the Coaches. Ronnie I know you have been trying to get me to join this league along with you and Randy Pogue, give me some more info on what this league is about?

[StevieD]

Craig,
Ronnie told me that Richard Simmons is his personal grappling/submission coach.

[Ronnie Copeland]

Craig,
Have you ever heard the expression "That guy is in a league of his own." This rings true a about you and this situation. I know you want to share the spotlight with Randy and I. You are a selfless invidual but you should go ahead and take the full spotlight on this. Everyone knows that you are the best homo slap fighter in the world. Enjoy the spotlight with your long time mentor,founder, and fat people fitness icon Richard Simmons. Craig will be on the next Richard Simmons kickboxing video "Richard Simmons Hardcore" where AHSBT (Advanced Homosexual Slap Boxing Technique) will be demonstrated by Craig and Richard. Also Craig out done himself and expanded his system of cock block do to the next level. In the past Craig only blacked all of the good looking women on the eastern seaboard. With Craig's activities in the homo slap boxing he has seen the alternate lifestyle and it still pissed him off when people scored whether it is was a male and a female or a male and male. So he has been working hard to improve his already almost infalable system to extend to homo erotic activity. Althought the system is good he is still working out the bugs in it. Normally Craig can block like a jedi with no effort assuming Bruce Lees water theory. He does not even have to get in a stance which has come to be know as free blocking. With the homosexual technique Craig has to assume the three point stance to get a good block in not only for the effectivness of the technique but the homosexuals also enjoy seeing Craig in his 3 point stance. Craig from now on just tell everybody whats going on we won't think it is bragging.

http://www.teamcopeland.net/CRAIrich.png

[Ronnie Copeland]

Stevie,
Hey man he can roll!

[StevieD]

How about that rear naked choke!?!

[Ronnie Copeland]

He said that move was his specialty and that he learned it from you?

[StevieD]

Broke Back Kickboxer???

[Mr. Media]

Someone has a lot of time.
This has to be the comedy central post.

Ronnie, that shot you took knocked more than teeth loose. :eek:
Craig, they pick on you because they are jealouse you are doing big things. ;)
Randy, I think the knee rattled more than ribs, :o
Ray, is it true chuck norris is a tad faster than wonderboy? :cool:
Michael, you just need to write a book with all that info. ;)
Fighterzack, don't leave before the final bell, i know you have more. :D
And i have to ask, i know the man above was a bad man, and chuck can count to infinaty twice, but is it true he never kickboxed? if so, i'm a bit upset since he and his cronies have been telling me he did. :mad:

[Ray Thompson]

Mr. Media,
Chuck is so fast his kicks travel back in time every time he fires them. I hate to say it but the Wonderboy doesn't stand a chance against him.
Chuck is so bad that you will die three days BEFORE he kicks you with his deadly round kick.
Chuck is so bad when he hits you with his jump spin back kick three generations of your family will implode.

[Ronnie Copeland]

Superman has a pair of Chuck Norris pajamas.

Chuck doesn't sleep he waits!

Chuck uses pepper spray as eye drops.

http://www.teamcopeland.net/chucknorris1.JPG

[Craig Smith]

Why is it that Ronnie Copeland always sees things before everyone else, like the Jokes that are on the www.wkkokickboxing.com website forum page. It is funny that on Ronnie's website, Clark's website and all the rest of them that Mr Copeland has visited, and left his footprints, I am the butt end of all the jokes. You Flamming Homo. Ronnie you have nothing better to do than visit websites all day. I cannot wait till you get your wires off of your teeth and jaw. Now go get your Tux fitted and stop visiting all the websites turd.

[StevieD]

Ronnie,
How much time do you spend looking at the porn websites?

[Tim.G]

Here is a clip of Chuck Norris reading some of his "Top Ten" characteristics.

http://www.wimp.com/chuck/

[Ronnie Copeland]

When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until he gets the information he wants.

There is no theory of evolution. Just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live.

Outer space exists because it's afraid to be on the same planet with Chuck Norris.

Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.

Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.

There is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only another fist.

When Chuck Norris does a pushup, he isn’t lifting himself up, he’s pushing the Earth down.

Chuck Norris is so fast, he can run around the world and punch himself in the back of the head.

Chuck Norris’ hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush.

There is no such thing as global warming. Chuck Norris was cold, so he turned the sun up.

Chuck Norris can lead a horse to water AND make it drink.

Chuck Norris doesn’t wear a watch, HE decides what time it is.

Chuck Norris gave Mona Lisa that smile.

Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door.

Chuck Norris does not get frostbite. Chuck Norris bites frost

Remember the Soviet Union? They decided to quit after watching a DeltaForce marathon on Satellite TV.

Contrary to popular belief, America is not a democracy, it is a Chucktatorship.

:D

[Mr. Media]

So what I'm getting from all this is, chuck has done everything except kickboxed. so why did he have a clip on his website doing kickboxing or some sort of fighting? was that from a movie? that sucks totally because i had thought he was some bad ass kickboxer from what hes trying to do with this wcl thing. :mad: i thought he had beaten someone like joe lewis or bill wallace.

hey, i think i have some of those Chuck Norris pajamas too. :eek:

[Ronnie Copeland]

Chuck Norris did not kick-box.Chuck was a 6 time world karate champion (bare knuckle point karate) and has never claimed to be a kickboxer. He was retiring from competition and starting his movie career about the same time Mike Anderson was bringing Full Contact Karate or kickboxing on the scene. What you saw on the clip was from his movie"A Force of One". If you will go back and watch the clip again you will hear the clip say that 6 time world martial arts champion. You said: "that sucks totally because i had thought he was some bad ass kickboxer from what hes trying to do with this wcl thing. I thought he had beaten someone like joe lewis or bill wallace." It seems by this and your previous statements you are trying to plant the seeds to get guys to bash Chuck Norris. You assumed that he was a kickboxer he never claimed in anywhere. I know you have heard what you do when you assume. You make and ASS out of U and ME. You said you thought he was some bad ass kickboxer from what he is trying to do with the WCL thing. So he is not allowed to start a league and help promote kickboxing since he has never done it? Come on dude! If you go with that logic Cedric Cushner, Bob Arum and Don King would not be allowed to promote the sport of boxing. CHUCK NORRIS is a freaking martial arts icon to everybody sport karate, kickboxers, the general public, EVRYBODY! Oh yeah he did beat a those guys you mentioned in karate tournaments. Back in the day they all fought point. It was the only game in town. I guess by your logic Bill Wallace and Joe Lewis ae pussies since they never did MMA. Althought it wasn't invinted until after there retirement. Your last couple of posts have been attempts to get people started bashing Chuck and the WCL.
GO PUT ON YOU CHUCK NORRIS PJ'S AND WATCH A COUPLE OF "WALKER TEXAS RANGER" EPISODES AND STOP MAKING AN ASS OUT OF YOURSELF ON A PUBLIC MESSAGEBOARD! :eek:

[Mike Morello]

Nice schooling Ronnie let'em know whats up! :D

Mike "MAdDog" Morello

[StevieD]

Ronnie,

I've got a Chuck Norris jock strap you can wear on your head!!!

StevieD

[Ronnie Copeland]

What will you wear now? :D

[Mr. Media]

Ronnie, you took my post all wrong. :rolleyes:
i had no idea what his background was when i posted other than what i was told and saw on that site. you don't need to be an ass to me so lay off your chuck norris lovin posts. i was not bashing chuck, i was just bummed that he had never really did kickboxing. i never doubted he wasnt a great martial arts fighter, i was just under the impression from all i was being told that he was som kickboxing mega giant. as for him promoting kickboxing with his wcl, i never had a problem there either. so pull that jock strap down :eek: and stop sucking on the wires in your jaw man :eek: , you are just too hyped up to be spouting off like you are. get a grip and relax.

[Ray Thompson]

Mr. Media,
Ronnie didn't take your post wrong, he took it just as you presented it. Chuck never said he was a "bad ass" kickboxer, like Ronnie said. Don't come on here and try to say you wern't trying to bash Chuck. It is obvious you were. As far as Chuck promoting kickboxing and has never kickboxed, hell I know kickboxing org. presidents that have never kickboxed but are running kickboxing org's. Oh, Chuck is not a "bad ass" kickboxer, he's a BAD ASS karate fighter. GO CHUCK!!!!!

[Ronnie Copeland]

Well let's start at the beginning here.
You said:
Ronnie, you took my post all wrong.
i had no idea what his background was when i posted other than what i was told and saw on that site. you don't need to be an ass to me so lay off your chuck norris lovin posts.
My response:
In a couple of posts I saw you throwing out some bait hoping someone would bite and bash Chuck and I think more him you wanted to bash the WCL. As far as the Chuck Norris loving posts. I was posting the stuff as was everyone else being funny and goofing off with my freinds. The best thing you can do is don't read them if they piss you off. Oh yeah I might have been somewhat harsh on you but I saw where you were heading with your posts and wanted to squash the bull****.
You Wrote:
i was not bashing chuck, i was just bummed that he had never really did kickboxing. i never doubted he wasnt a great martial arts fighter, i was just under the impression from all i was being told that he was som kickboxing mega giant. as for him promoting kickboxing with his wcl, i never had a problem there either.
My response:
Don't feed me a line of bull**** you are not a neophite. People who have no knowledge at all of kickboxing don't post on a kickboxing website.I went back and tracked all of your post on this board. You definitley have and agenda. I as well as others have discussed it on many occassions and we know who you are. You may type in all lower case and purposely misspell some words trying to be clever but again we ALL know.
You wrote:
so pull that jock strap down and stop sucking on the wires in your jaw man , you are just too hyped up to be spouting off like you are. get a grip and relax.
My response:
Big man talking behind a keyboard. If you would like to discuss this further please email me your number rcopeland1@triad.rr.com or call me 336 687 1520 and we will talk about it. I doubt you will call of give the number since you are not the person you say you are.

Ronnie Copeland

[Randy Pogue]

Surprise!

I have a dissenting opinion. Go Mr. Media!

Let me start by saying that I disagree with Mr. Media, and I believe he was definitely trying to start some Chuck-bashing.

However, his presence is a refreshing throwback to the wild west days of the old board. While I'm pretty much ok with bashing whoever about whatever using my real login, having a little anonymous button pushing on here isn't such a bad thing.

Ronnie, I'm not sure whether to be stunned by your use of the term neophyte, or stunned by your misspelling of it. Let's just say I'm stunned. http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/wwwboard/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

As far as you calling Mr. Media out, he didn't claim to want to beat you up. He just thinks you've been a little irritable lately. I thought it was kind of funny. Plus, let's assume we are correct that Mr. Media isn't who he claims to be. Who are you calling out? Mr. Media could be a 12 year old girl, or Pam Peterson, or Steve Fossum, for all we know. I don't think any of them really want to tangle with you once you're healed up, and I don't think that putting the smack down on little Suzie, Pam or Steve would help advance your career much anyway.

What this board really needs is the return of Mr. Media's nemesis, Donnie "The Italian Hitman" Striker. Can someone send up the Wop Signal and get him back to the board?

[Ronnie Copeland]

I had a really great response posted but I think when the site went down it was lost. I will try it again.
Randy,
I am glad that you enjoyed my usage of the word neophyte. I only misspelled it to keep up my rep. :rolleyes:
I wan't calling Mr. media out. The comment about the sucking on my wires pissed me off a little. I asking him to talk to me in person because I think that he would not talk that kind of smack to my person. There is something about sitting behind a keyboard with a few thousand miles between you that makes a person talk smack that he would never say eye to eye. Not because I am a mean tough kickboxer. Just out of common courtesy. Pam Peterson is pretty tough! I have been irritable latley since I haven't eaten anything solid in the last 15 days. I live off of a diet of blended soup and protein shakes. But I am becoming quite skilled with a blender. Stuff that I thought of as gross a week ago is GOOD now. I just want to leave the IKF ocmmunity with some things to ponder. Spaghettios blended up are awesome they ae pink and resemble vomit but if they are hot you can get them down. Topping off of a pizza blended up is good too.
I think that is all that I wrote. The last one was better I think.

P.S. Craig Smith is a fairy!

P.P.S. Check out the Randy Pogue highlight reel at www.teamcopeland.net/randypogue.htm

[Mr. Media]

Ronnie, i have to laugh here because for some reason, you have turned this whole thing into a 'i hate chuck and ronnie' deal. :rolleyes: i don't hate chuck nor do i look down on him if he never kickboxed. all i said was that i was 'lead to believe' he did by someone and more so by the video on his site. how i was lead was not an attack on chuck, it was my attack on those who lead me there. the video on his site, someone told me to watch it if i didn't believe them telling me chuck kickboxed. so i did. i never payed attention to the phrase 'karate champion'. too much detail for me son. :confused: you are way off your meds because you are reading way too much into all this. :eek:
as for me being a big man talking behind a keyboard, what kind of childish line is that? :rolleyes: did i ever call you out? did i ever call chuck out? did i ever imply i was a super stud? since we both know i didn't, why are you calling me out? will this bring pleasure beating up a 50 year old man? no i dont want to discuss this further so i dont need to -mail you. your not the god of all answers nor chuck norris keeper. and if you and ray really think you know me, why dont you call me? i mean, the phones work both ways, at least mine does. so come on ronnie, call my bluff and call me, or maybe e-mail me. i would be interested to hear whos phone rings with you on the other end explaining how your guess was wrong. and if right, well great for us both. the only problem is, i don't know how you would have my number since i never gave it to you. still, please call me, and if you dont, please, let your followers call me, heck, call me collect if you dont have a dime.

at the end of the day, you will see ronnie that you blew all this out of scale and are left wondering why did you jump all over me in the first place. go back and re-read my posts. i was not baiting anything or anyone. i was just angry someone led me to believe something that wasnt true. who led me to believe this was an associate of mine, not you, not chuck, so sit down and have your liquid pizza. all i did here was ask for clarification and it seems i got it, along with a bunch of other garbage too that i never asked for. im up late tonight ronnie, and i will keep my phone line clear just for you. ;)

[Ronnie Copeland]

This whole thing is getting ridiculous and this will be the last comment that I will make.
You said:
Ronnie, i have to laugh here because for some reason, you have turned this whole thing into a 'i hate chuck and ronnie' deal. i don't hate chuck nor do i look down on him if he never kickboxed. all i said was that i was 'lead to believe' he did by someone and more so by the video on his site.
Response:
I never said that you hated me or Chuck Norris. I simply reputed you incorrect statements. You say you were lead to beleive by someone. You never said that on your previous posts. As I recall you said in your first derogatory post "And i have to ask, i know the man above was a bad man, and chuck can count to infinaty twice, but is it true he never kickboxed? if so, i'm a bit upset since he and his cronies have been telling me he did."
By saying "he and his cronies" you made it sound like you have some insider information on this grand plot to defraud the kickboxing community.

You said:
how i was lead was not an attack on chuck, it was my attack on those who lead me there. the video on his site, someone told me to watch it if i didn't believe them telling me chuck kickboxed. so i did. i never payed attention to the phrase 'karate champion'. too much detail for me son.
Response:
refer to the previous response.
You said
i never payed attention to the phrase 'karate champion'.
Response:
First of all it does not say "karate Champion" it says martial arts champion. So you are admitting you came off half cocked. Don't you think before you attack a man's character by esentially calling him a liar and attacking what he is doing you should have your facts straight?
You said:
too much detail for me son.
Response:
First of all don't call me son! My dad has been gone a long time. And you say it trying to condesend.

You said:
you are way off your meds because you are reading way too much into all this.
Response:
The only thing I am reading is what YOU wrote! Another condesending remark towards me. I am not taking any meds period.
You said:
as for me being a big man talking behind a keyboard, what kind of childish line is that? did i ever call you out? did i ever call chuck out? did i ever imply i was a super stud? since we both know i didn't, why are you calling me out? will this bring pleasure beating up a 50 year old man?
reponse:
I never said you called me out. But you are sitting behind the keyboard acting like super stud trying to talk down to me with your piffy comments. Like I said before I am not calling you out. Beating up a 50 year old man ! hmm :rolleyes: I am not calling you out. Now who is reading way into this?
You said:
no i dont want to discuss this further so i dont need to -mail you.
Response:
I didn't think you would and if I did call , you would deny that you are mr media. So, what will that solve.
You said:
your not the god of all answers nor chuck norris keeper.
Resonse:
I never said I was the God of all answers. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! Chuck can take care of himself. He does not need me to keep him. I just cannot sit back and let you undermine the best thing that has happened to kickboxing in America in 20 years.
You said:
and if you and ray really think you know me, why dont you call me? i mean, the phones work both ways, at least mine does. so come on ronnie, call my bluff and call me, or maybe e-mail me. i would be interested to hear whos phone rings with you on the other end explaining how your guess was wrong. and if right, well great for us both. the only problem is, i don't know how you would have my number since i never gave it to you.
rsponse:
did I mention Ray in my post ? No that is another give away as to who you are.
You said:
still, please call me,
Response:
I addressed that above.
You said;
and if you dont, please, let your followers call me, heck, call me collect if you dont have a dime.
Resonse:
Who reading to far into something now? Followers! Please!
You said:
at the end of the day, you will see ronnie that you blew all this out of scale and are left wondering why did you jump all over me in the first place. go back and re-read my posts. i was not baiting anything or anyone. i was just angry someone led me to believe something that wasnt true. who led me to believe this was an associate of mine, not you, not chuck, so sit down and have your liquid pizza.
Response:
The stabs in the previous posts were.
"And i have to ask, i know the man above was a bad man, and chuck can count to infinaty twice, but is it true he never kickboxed? if so, i'm a bit upset since he and his cronies have been telling me he did. "

"So what I'm getting from all this is, chuck has done everything except kickboxed. so why did he have a clip on his website doing kickboxing or some sort of fighting? was that from a movie? that sucks totally because i had thought he was some bad ass kickboxer from what hes trying to do with this wcl thing. i thought he had beaten someone like joe lewis or bill wallace. "

Looks like baiting too me. If you are this 50 year old guy who fought in the 80's you would know the history. You would know that Chuck was not a kickboxer and did not fight the above named fighters. Maybe I am off base and that is just too much detail for you.
Agian you try to talk down to me or you have a feeble attempt at humor with the liquid pizza thing.

I am finished with this!
Ronnie Copeland

[Craig Smith]

You mean we are finished with this, I was just starting to enjoy all of this. I have to say as many times as I have been upset with the people hiding dehind these post and not using their real names, I will have to agree with Randy. If we keep this to a level where we dont get personal with anyone, Like Ronnie calling ma a FAG, then keeping all of these post hidden is OK and sometimes a pro for the message board itself. Now when certain post get too personal I am against the hidden post. So to clarify all of this, Randy Pogue has a Gay Lover, his name is Ronnie Copeland. Ronnie has issues with coming out of the closet. We all know that Ronnie before Randy had a thing for Ray. When Ray told Ronnie to keep things from getting out, Ronnie decided to dump Ray and start chasing me. when I told Ronnie I did not go that way, he complained to Steve Fossum which has started all of this. Hope every one now understands why there is so much discontent on this here message board.

[Randy Pogue]

All I know is what Craig Smith tells me, over and over.

Love knows no gender.

[Ray Thompson]

What ever you do Craig DON'T tell them about us. They might get jealous.

[StevieD]

Ronnie,
Our only dilemma is who to crush first...the 12 year old girl or the 50 year old man. Let me know who you want because I'll take anything.
StevieD

[Ronnie Copeland]

We can alternate the beatings. Just to make it fair both of us. (lol) :D

[Mr. Media]

ronnie, can my eyes roll any higher, :rolleyes:
you just posted below,

You said:
and if you and ray really think you know me, why dont you call me? i mean, the phones work both ways, at least mine does. so come on ronnie, call my bluff and call me, or maybe e-mail me. i would be interested to hear whos phone rings with you on the other end explaining how your guess was wrong. and if right, well great for us both. the only problem is, i don't know how you would have my number since i never gave it to you.

in which you responded in your post with,
rsponse:
did I mention Ray in my post ? No that is another give away as to who you are.

your killing me ronnie. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
read below one of your first post back to me, ray said, 'Mr. Media,
Ronnie didn't take your post wrong, he took it just as you presented it.'

so, i just figured to address you and ray together in the general response. it was clear yopu both wanted to attack me back. :cool: would you feel better if i included these other guys like randy, stevie, mike, tim, craig, or anyone else?
Your crackin me up here. :D call me ronnie and lets talk. you say you know me, so have some nerve to go with your feelin. i would love to hear you talk and stop typin, but if you prefer, my e-mail works too. since you know me, no need to pass it on here. really, i want to see how you act in person. i'm getting a far different impression of you than what i had already. :rolleyes:


Now, what was this thread about?
Oh ya, Chucks PJ's.
Oh wait, don't want to offend chuck, cause when i say things like that, i'm being mean and rude. :rolleyes:

[Craig Smith]

Ray I am sorry I let the cat out of the bag. I remember now you told me to keep it hush,hush. I think Ronnie and Mr. Media have something for each other!

[StevieD]

Craig,
Ronnie promised he'd never cheat on me again!

[Michael Dean]

Let it be known to all, that although I think highly of most of the crazy people on this thread, I in no way want to be part of the Homosexual jokes that are being made. I do respect your sexual preferences. Just don’t care to picture any of this in my mind! I’m not sure of how humor is taken in the South fellows, but we take that kind of talk seriously in the North. Pogue must just be too damn Far East to comprehend! What ever happened to the Bible Belt down there? You people need to get up early on Sunday and get back to Church. I’m so upset over this that I have decided to change my ring name to the following:

Michael “The Big Hetero” Dean



Had you going there for a minute, didn’t I. LOL!


Sincerely cracking up, Michael “The Steamroller” Dean

[Craig Smith]

Big old Northerner like your self (Mike) would be a good old Happy Meal for some of us southerners. I am sure Ronnie would agree!

[Ronnie Copeland]

This thread is going down the toilet fast. Look out Mike" Big Hetero Roller" Dean. Craig like BIG Straping straight guys. :D After hanging out with Richard Simmons shooting that gay kickboxng work out video a lot of thing have changed with Craig. :eek: For example when he played football his position was always tight end now he prefers wide receiver. He still cock blocks but he blocks for a different team. Along with his dedication to the weights he seems to be drinking alot more protein lately. :eek:

[StevieD]

Boy, you got a purty mouth.....sqweeeeeellllll!

[Randy Pogue]

Hold on there, Steamroller!

I think you need to go back and re-read this thread. It has turned into a bunch of 5th graders making gay jokes on several occasions, and I have NEVER been a part of it. It's true, I did attribute the advice of "love knows no gender" to Craig Smith. However, I don't consider that a joke against the gay community especially since, for all we know, it truly doesn't know gender.

As a proud, God-fearing American, I know we're free, and all ready to defend the principle that what goes on between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes is none of anyone's damn business, Right? Anyway, I don't care whether Craig Smith, or anyone else, is straight or not.

I wouldn't trust him near small boys OR little girls either way, but mostly because he's a Republican, and you can't trust those greedy, godless heathens as far as you can throw them.

Therefore, Michael "trapped in the closet" Dean, continue to notice me absent from the threads when the topic turns as sophomoric as which kickboxer is secretly the gay lover of whichever other kickboxer.

But, in the future, if I do happen to mention something like "Fightgeek is gay," I don't mean he's gay like "sexually" gay, I mean he's like "dumb" gay. His sexual preference is irrelevant.

Fightgeek is gay.

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Randy Pogue]As far as you calling Mr. Media out, he didn't claim to want to beat you up. He just thinks you've been a little irritable lately. I thought it was kind of funny. Plus, let's assume we are correct that Mr. Media isn't who he claims to be. Who are you calling out? Mr. Media could be a 12 year old girl, or Pam Peterson, or Steve Fossum, for all we know. I don't think any of them really want to tangle with you once you're healed up, and I don't think that putting the smack down on little Suzie, Pam or Steve would help advance your career much anyway.[/QUOTE]
Hey now!! dont get me involved in this! I'm innocent :D and have been keeping my mouth shut on here! RP, I thought your voice message about the message board was about my birthday, but you were just hoping if I made a stop by to see what you meant that I would catch up on old threads too, huh! LOL. butthead! :rolleyes:

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Copeland] There is something about sitting behind a keyboard with a few thousand miles between you that makes a person talk smack that he would never say eye to eye. Not because I am a mean tough kickboxer. Just out of common courtesy. Pam Peterson is pretty tough! [/QUOTE]
Damn Right I am pretty tough! :p bout time someone admits it! and dont even think for a minute that I would be afraid to say something to someone's face if it's how I feel. It would just be put out there with a little more tact. :D

[Jason (fight geek)]

[QUOTE=Randy Pogue]Hold on there, Steamroller!

I think you need to go back and re-read this thread. It has turned into a bunch of 5th graders making gay jokes on several occasions, and I have NEVER been a part of it. It's true, I did attribute the advice of "love knows no gender" to Craig Smith. However, I don't consider that a joke against the gay community especially since, for all we know, it truly doesn't know gender.

As a proud, God-fearing American, I know we're free, and all ready to defend the principle that what goes on between two consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes is none of anyone's damn business, Right? Anyway, I don't care whether Craig Smith, or anyone else, is straight or not.

I wouldn't trust him near small boys OR little girls either way, but mostly because he's a Republican, and you can't trust those greedy, godless heathens as far as you can throw them.

Therefore, Michael "trapped in the closet" Dean, continue to notice me absent from the threads when the topic turns as sophomoric as which kickboxer is secretly the gay lover of whichever other kickboxer.

But, in the future, if I do happen to mention something like "Fightgeek is gay," I don't mean he's gay like "sexually" gay, I mean he's like "dumb" gay. His sexual preference is irrelevant.

Fightgeek is gay.[/QUOTE]

OK,
I was going to stay out of this great WCL thread... by the way, WCL is in trouble on one front, the IFL is starting and it is a team formated MMA org, and it seems to have in ways, more clout than the WCL, we shall see. Next they will have a boxing team format organization.

SO how did I get SUCKED into this conversation? I was just minding my own business and now I am gay. Even if it is "dumb gay" not a reference to my sexuality.
See that is what happens. Hillbilly's on the board, and WHAM I am SUCKED into the thread and now I am magically gay. This is how rumors start. :D

I will only say my Gay friends wish I was Gay. (Randy Pogue is my friend) :eek:

Geek

[Ronnie Copeland]

When I said the line about people hiding behind keyboards and not saying the same to sombodies face. That was meant for Mr Media. I pretty much was just stating the fact that you are tough. Nothing else. :D
I just wanted to clarify!

[Craig Smith]

Randy, I guess I hit a pressure point when speaking of Gay people. I understand you are very sensitive when it comes to this type of joking, so I will backoff from referring to you as GAY. Randy is GAY.

[Randy Pogue]

Craig,

You need to be more precise, so people don't get confused. I'm "cool" gay, in a laid-back, well-dressed, metrosexual kind of way.

StevieD, on the other hand, is just "dumb" gay. As in, "Dude. You used your cell phone to take pics of yourself with no shirt on and posted them on MySpace to meet chicks? That's gay."

See the difference?

[Ronnie Copeland]

What's up with the message board. It has been messing up lately it you check out the Eric Regan post it says it has 5 replies and when you open it nothing? :eek:

[Ronnie Copeland]

An even 100 !

[StevieD]

Mr(?) Pogue,
In response to your recent analogy...
Since I have gotten to know you I have realized a number of things. First, that you are well versed in a variety of areas. Be it politics, fighting, or whatever, you seem to have a certain knack for shedding an unusual shade of light on various subjects. However, it seems that you have now outdone yourself.
You have now established yourself as a "gay" expert, as in one that is knowledgeable in all things "gay".

Admittedly, you are snazzy dresser but I thought that was a ploy of taste.

I guess there's no longer a reason for you to have the "StevieD" tattoo removed from your ass! :D

Miss you!!!
StevieD

[Randy Pogue]

Stevie,

thanks for the compliments regarding my alleged versedness and sheddability. I feel I've now earned the right to begin creating my own words, as you can see.

As to the extentination of my versiosity regarding "gayness," whether it be in regard to my own smooth brand of coolness, or to Geek's frequent combination of sandals and socks, I can only say that I merely call them as I see them.

If my observations are ringing true in your mind, I suppose that would definitely qualify me as an "expert."

Don't worry about the tattoo. It's not going anywhere. You will forever be memorialized on my tush, wedged between Oprah and Richard Simmons, just like you asked.

Miss you too. I'll be headed to a boxing ring near you within the next 30 days. Come on out, unless you're too much of a rock star to spar with us, like the last time I came out your way. Oh that's right, you were recovering from that 40 second "fight" you had the night before. My bad.

[StevieD]

Randy,
Socks with sandals are ok as long they match the maternity dress.

I look forward to seeing you. Unfortunately, I haven't gloved up since my last "fight" due to a broken hand. I rebroke the metcarpal below my thumb, just above my wrist...looks like there won't be anymore hitch hiking to the rest areas...Sorry Zack!

However, let's plan to hang out either way. I'll let you try on some of my designer shirts.

[LMITCHUM]

Stevie: I still owe you that Steak dinner........with all the talk going on here, perhaps we should leave the wives out of it. I was thinking of calling Zack and inviting him as well. Do you like tube steak? Perhaps the theme song to the recent posts is the Tube Steak Boogie performed by Brokeback(finger) Kickboxer. Are you sure that you broke it by fighting? Or were you doing something else that involves using a hand? On a more serious note, hope you heal soon and I do need to pay my debt to you. I am still considering watching the UFC fight on the 15th. You, Zack and the wives are invited. Just give me a holla via post.

Larry

[StevieD]

Larry,
You've got to be kidding! Tube Steak!?! Are you in the 8th grade or what? :D

I'm sorry but I've committed to watching Forrest/Tito fight with people from work. However, I do want to still get together ASAP.