Rocky Mountain Bad Boyz in Colorado?

[P.J. Reilly]

Whos fighting out in Golden Colorado? Anyone know the details about this show? I might be able to make it out there and I want to know whos on the card.

[David Cummings]

It might be Barry Bennedict, he used to promote up ther but its been a while since I have been out that way

[P.J. Reilly]

I don't think Barry does much out here anymore. I have fought on the "Rocky Mountain Bad Boyz" before. It "used" to be a tournament in three different weight classes and was run by Keith Smelzer and Vic Bravo (I think). I'm not sure about now though. I had a blast at that event, too bad I ended up in the hospital :( But at least I won!

[David Cummings]

At least you won my friend! It looks like I will be out your way in December if you want to get together and train. take care :cool:

[SmackMaster]

from the article on the ikf news page, it appears promoters Keith Smelzer and Vic Bravo are the latest bull**** artists in the sport. seems you guys already knew this. anyone got a rope? :cool:

[P.J. Reilly]

Damn!! This really sucks, I was beginning to think that we may have something out here, oh well. :mad:

[David Cummings]

It is a shame the show turned out that way! I personally know both Keith and vic and they are good guys. Sometimes people do not realize the full extent of the damages when they do somehting like this. Although I do not condone their actions I am confident that they have learned a valuable lesson :D

[P.J. Reilly]

There are other top notch shows out here in CO. Maybe they'll get a shot at having IKF events. :D

[admin]

[color=deepskyblue]The Following Message was sent to the IKF from KEITH SCHMELZER.[/color]
[color=deepskyblue]The IKF has asked us to post this message here because they thought it only fair to post his response to this issue.[/color]
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To: Mr Steve Fossum
IKF President

From: Keith Schmelzer
Rocky Mtn Bad Boyz-Promoter/Trainer

Re: The Ugly Ending Write Up
I just wanted everyone to know that there are two sides to every story. I am responding back to the article written up on Monday, October 25th. With regards to my most recent event. I also want to state that I spent time with my Family on Sunday as this is our Family day and I did in fact speak to Mr.Fossom on Monday morning October 26th.

[color=deepskyblue](IKF: Actually, it was TUESDAY morning when Keith returned Mr. Fossum's call. Not Monday)[/color]

It is in my best interest to do so in a professional manner and without any dis-respect to any trainers,fighters,promoters and last but most certainly not least the fighter fan.

I would like to start with the first subject in matter AN UGLY ENDING.
To make a long story short, Nouton Herr vs. Travis Sherman bout did end up as and Exhibition bout and under one condition and that was that they wear head gear during the fight. This was not however a fight, this was an exhibition. The two fighters involved in the exhibition bout both agreed upon light contact rules and did not wear head gear, again due to the fact that this was only an exhibition bout. At this point under the circumstances the Mr. Stell had left ringside, I made a business decision to let the exhibition continue as is.

I would like make a very important comment, and that is in write up it stated that STELL stepped away from ringside to take care of some other event related duties?? When STELL returned he stated that “he was in his room?” Co-incidentally, he returned back to ringside when the Exhibition bout was over. How can this ugly article have been written up when no IKF rep was eve around to speak about it? When STELL returned I explained to him that this bout was announced as an Exhibition bout, both fighters agreed to use light contact and the referee was in control of the bout, at that point.

With regards to the COMMON SOLUTION IS TO JUMP SHIP...
I did not do as I pleased, I did adhere to their rules and regulations, I have always been in compliance with any rules and regulations of this sport, and I will defend myself and co-workers indefinably. I do not like being wrongly accused of something that is not and will not ever occur as stated in Ugly article.

“He probably already is thinking he will just turn to ISKA to sanction his Colorado event since the IKF and ISKA are the only State approved sanctioning bodies of the amateur kickboxing in Colorado”.

As far as the safety of FIGHTERS and SPORT, it was NEVER mentioned that I had medical insurance for each fighter as well as a ringside Doctor 4 EMTS’ and an ambulance ready and waiting on the premises for the duration or the event.

APPRECIATION!
I did appreciate the fact that Mr. Stell IKF rep took the time to help with my event, and did thank him on several occasions before, during and after the event. Since the Regional rep could not attend my Event.

About the Promoters fees and expenses, Dan Stell and I worked out a verbal agreement, and I feel this portion of the article should have not been made a public as our agreement was satisfied. While were are on this subject I Keith Schmelzer paid Sanctioned fees to the IKF of $150.00 & Representative fees of $100.00 & Perdiam of $40.00 and round trip air fair two days hotel comdations, and Hotel Transportation to and from Airport free of charge! And Stell chose not to use Hotel Shuttle.

I again, was accused as stated in the article, “like Schmelzer don’t realize. HE looked at Stell as a “Problem he had to find away around” instead of an assistant to his event”.
Where did that come from? I am about the nicest guy and easy to work with and not to mention have credit ability throughout the fight scene.

To sum this all up I will be sending a video on the event and would like to extend my sincere appreciation to all who support me and have supported me in the past.

[color=deepskyblue](IKF: this video will help us determine a lot about this particular bout. A video we hope to have by this Saturday, October 30th. If we do not have it, that too will answer a lot about this bout.)[/color]

I believe that this venue was a SUCCESS, along with many others, and it’s a shame that the representatives oh the IKF did not agree. You would think the IKF, being the representatives at my event would have made some positive comments about the bouts, and also mentioned the complete respect for the sport, fighters, trainers and fans. I want to resolve this matter of concern as I do realize the importance of being a professional & my outstanding reputation.

Also attending Masters Of The Mat was three license Promoters.
I conclude this message with GREAT RESPECT to all.
KEITH SCHMELZER

[Razor Bump]

As the host of the event, I must say that the show was exciting and a learning experience. I've been to several events in Colorado and I felt that this one ranked well amongst the Amateur events that have been promoted. This event and amatuer fighting in Colorado should not be marred from a misunderstanding that occurred during one fight. I think that both parties involved should sit down and discuss what happed and use this as a stepping stone not a cold shoulder of hatred or disdain for each other. Keith want's to bury the hatchet and work towards a resolution. He's told me this personally and I think the IKF should find it in their hearts to do the same. I've been to a few IKF sanctioned events and they were not on the level of this show. They were here in Colorado. I've also been to some shows with this same sanctioning body that were better. This being your first occassion working with each other I think a few things need to be looked upon and you should put forth your efforts to rescue this relationship. The fans were pleased and fighter safety was not neglected. Proper safety measures and medical staff were on hand. Nothing got out of control of the ref's and all in all this was a successful outing for both parties.

[SmackMaster]

razer burp,
you were the host of the show? do you own the clud or are you keith speaking in the third person? i think someone needs to lay a smackdown on keithy and after such, all will be good. thats what the smackmaster says, and the rock agrees! :eek:

"I've been to a few IKF sanctioned events and they were not on the level of this show. They were here in Colorado. "

looking atthe ikf web pages, you can only be referring to sven beans shows. really now? never thought the beanmaster had low level shows. maybe the rock needs to intervene here and lay down some smackdown, ya baby! :cool:

[P.J. Reilly]

I'll say one thing for Keith, he is a genuinly nice guy. I am eager to see the result of the tape.

[David J Smith]

It is unfortunate that most Colorado promoters don’t seem to understand the benefits of having sanction events. I don’t know of any of the regular events, Steve Alley’s Kickdown series and Sven’s Ring of Fire events that are sanctioned.

Many so called amateur events treat fighters like pro’s, no head gear, full elbows and such. This is a disaster waiting to happen. The State will crack down and promoters will be subject to regulations like California promoters.

I would like to see this change. Maybe I should start promoting fights in Colorado.

[David Cummings]

I much agree with PJ on that point

[P.J. Reilly]

David, anytime you want to add a show to CO, PLEASE feel free! :D

[Sven Bean]

Razor Bump is Bumpy Johnson, the MC for the night.. good job Bumpy.

first let me address what David from Wyoming said about "unsanctioned' shows. My RING OF FIRE series is sanctioned by the Colorado State Athletic Commission. My Battlequest series has been sanctioned by both the IKF and the ISKA . Every event has had ringside doctors, and ambulance on site. But this is something I do on every event I have ever promoted.. and I have never needed a sanctioning body to tell me "Hey.. look out for fighter safety". I am not taking away from what a sanctioning body brings to the table at all, but let's face it.. 90% of promoters given the choice are not going to spend the money on sanctioning if they don't have to. I have done what a body requires safety wise from day 1.

I used the IKF and other bodies before there was even a law in place stating that amateur events (Battlequest is amateur only) need a sanctioning body in place to promote an event. MOTM and Steve Alley's show (Kick Down) only used sanctioning after the state ruling.

Elbows.. even in my PRO events I have never allowed elbows in a kick boxing or muay thai bout, so I have no idea what you are talking about. I have never seen an amatuer muay thai bout with elbows in Colorado period.

On the MOTM show, as I told Steve Fossum on the phone the night of the show:

Keith did a good job saftey wise for the fighters. He respected the IKF headgear and shin pads rule. He had adequate medical staff etc. No problems.. It all comes down to the Sherman bout, and the IKF has posted their side as well as Keith posting his side... the two parties will have to work out the matter of the "1" bout. I don't know the exact details of that bout.

The rest of the show was pretty much exactly what you would expect to see on an amateur card ANYWHERE in the US.. some great fights, some not as great fights, but all fighters gave it their all and the fighters were treated like athletes.

The bottom line for me comes down to fighter safety.. were the fighters safe? Was there adequate medical staff present?

yes.. on both counts.

I have heard from both sides since the event. I know Steve Fossum feels very strongly about adhering to the IKF standards (rightfully so!).. I also know that Keith feels just as strong that he promoted a quality event. let's hope they can find a middle ground..

for the Fans.. For the Fighters.. For the SPORT!!!

[David J Smith]

Just for the record I wasn't trying to imply that you Sven or Steve Alley don't produce quality events. I have been to many of your shows Sven and have officiated at many of the Kickdown events. I have never witnessed any problems with fighter safety and have always been impressed with the overall quality of these events. I can't comment on the situation with the Bad Boys event as I wasn't there. However I know Dan Stell well enough to know that he is one of the best in the world at what he does and trust his judgement.

I do feel that having kickboxing events sanctioned by the IKF and MMA events sanctioned by the ISCF is worth the price. But I don't put on events to make money if I did I think it would come out to about .10 cents an hour for the work involved. Certainly a tough way to earn money.

I have seen several events that trouble me. Most are the (pick your day of the week) fight nights type events. While most of these are usually limited to very bad boxing some include KB and MMA. Some of my students have gone off to these without my blessings. Most have been in Montana, Wyoming, N. Dakota and a few other places. These promoters are looking for the fast buck and could care less for the fighters safety. In my opinion one of these sleezy guys can in one unlucky moment undo all the hard work of good promoters like Sven Bean, and Steve Alley. Politics being what they are these days some fly by night promoter could easily cause regulations to be passed that affect the entire sport and make promoting events just that much more costly.

I think the sport of kickboxing would be better off if the fighters, trainers and promoters got behind the IKF and Steve. The organization is working hard toward improving the sport and the more we all support the IKF the better kickboxing will become in my opinion. Just my humble opinion.

[admin]

The IKF informed us today that "A" CD arrived at their office in an envelope. However, since it was in a soft envelope, unprotected, (Instead of a HARD BOX) the CD was damaged and unable to play...

The wondering continues.....:rolleyes:

[SmackMaster]

looks like ol keithy has tried to pull the oldest trick in the book. the, 'i will send a broken cd, that way they will think i tried' trick. :rolleyes: kind of like sending in your credit card payment with just the pay stub but no check. 'woops, i forgot the check, oh bad me.' come on keith, your not foolin anyone! get off your ass and send the ikf the video! that is, unless you have something to hide. otherwise you screw it up in colorado for everyone you schmuck! :mad: