November 11th 2006 -- Amateur MMA and KickBoxing

[Scott Bolinger]

I'm looking for amateur fighters wanting to compete at my meet in November.
The meet will be in:

Alliance, NE
at the Central School
7th and BoxButte

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]I'm looking for amateur fighters wanting to compete at my meet in November.
The meet will be in:

Alliance, NE
at the Central School
7th and BoxButte[/QUOTE]

what exactly do you mean by "meet"?? is this an event or a karate tournament?

[Scott Bolinger]

it would be a kickboxing and MMA event.
I have my own ranking system for the kickboxing.
xxxxx

At this time, we were going to go with the central school, but apparently it's zoned as residential. so we are having to relocate the fight.

[Pete P]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]it would be a kickboxing and MMA event.
I have my own ranking system for the kickboxing.
xxxxxx

At this time, we were going to go with the central school, but apparently it's zoned as residential. so we are having to relocate the fight.[/QUOTE]

According to your rules on your website, it is not real kickboxing...more like a mix of kickboxing and point fighting. You require the competitors to wear USA approved headgear and boxing gloves (10 or 12 oz.), yet you DO NOT allow strikes to the face. What is that all about? Sounds like a TKD point tournament to me. That is not the amateur kickboxing that people on this board are used to competing in, do you realize that? Are your MMA rules different too?

Scott, you may want to be more clear when soliciting for fighters on a kickboxing board so they don't feel mislead, just a suggestion. Not to mention that very few kickboxers on here even have a colored belt rank. I see where alot of the FCR fighters do, but not alot of the IR and MTR fighters.

I understand the desire to establish your own federation, that is all good, but I guess I am confused as to what you are trying to do with the mixture of rules. Do you really feel it will be successful in today's "contact sport" world?

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]it would be a kickboxing and MMA event.
I have my own ranking system for the kickboxing.
xxxxxx

At this time, we were going to go with the central school, but apparently it's zoned as residential. so we are having to relocate the fight.[/QUOTE]

Your site says you are only having two judges....
"There will be 2 judges, the Ref may also be a judge. The judges will be placed at the sides of the fighting area. One of the Judges will be the chief judge the other , the secondary judge. In which the points on his score card will determine the winner. If there are any mistakes, then we will go by the secondary judges score cards for the round the mistake was made. At the end of the 3rd round the score cards will be added up and handed to the ref and the ref will announce the winner. If there is a tie, there will be a additional round to determine the winner. The highest total point for all 3 rounds added together will determine the winner."

How can you only have two judges and keep it unbiased?

Is this "kickboxing" taking place in a ring or on a mat? No hitting to the face????? Your referee can also be the judge? The judge(s) are to count points... "All legal kicks and punches are counted as 1 point"

It is not kickboxing, it is modified points sparring. plain and simple.

P.S... Dude, have you ever thought of using spell check or going back and learning basic spelling? Did you grow up in western Nebraska? seriously, just curious.

[Randy B]

Now, now people. Don't be attacking new people on the board. I'm sure Mr. Bolinger is just uninformed as to the kind of fighting we do here. The kind of fighting we do in the ring too! :D

Mr. Bolinger I read the rules on your site and did come to the same conclusion as Mr. and Mrs. Peterson. It does appear to be modified point sparring.

[Scott Bolinger]

well, i'll be running the events the way I see fit to run them. You run your own rules on your own events. If you don't like my rules, then you don't have to participate. So far i've been getting alot of good feed back on my style of compitition. This style of compitition is designed as a step up from your standard karate and taekwondo point tournaments, to help them get ready for full contact. IKF also has a point tournament event they do. It's a bit different from what I have. I believe it's just one 2 minute round, some other programs run 3 - 30 second rounds. Now, in some of your tae kwon do arts they don't alow punching to the head to gain points. I allow punches to the head,just not to the face. And standard point tournament for karate and Tae Kwon Do go to 3 or 5 points with a 2 minute limit and no kicks to the legs.

Some time down the road i'll add full contact fights and there won't be a belt ranking system in that, just weight divisions. But in my kickboxing federation, were trying to match fighters up with ruffly around the same amount of training and make the fights more fair so they can tweek there styles a bit and improve before they get into a full contact sports. And this style of competition will help some traditional point fights get out of some of the bad habbits that are created in that sport and prepair for full contact. And may also help some coaches change a little bit on what they need to drill on.

sounds like you guys have did just a little reading on my site, if you actually checked out the site thurally, you would notice that I have 22 years of experience and studied 6 different styles of fighting.

Now, for you 2 or 3 smart asses, if you think your bad, just come on down, give me a ring and i'll set you up in a fight. I'm running at about 196 lbs and i'll fight anyone in my weight class or heavier.

for the MMA fights, were going with Pride rules

for all you spelling B winners, feel free to correct my spelling

[Scott Bolinger]

the location of the fights will be at the
Hemingford Fair Grounds
in
Hemingford Nebraska

weigh in will be at 2 pm

fights start at 7 pm

[Pete P]

Scott,

My whole point, which you seemed to have missed, is that I was confused as to why you were calling it amateur kickboxing and not "point kickboxing" which is really what it is, correct? Or can a competitor be knocked out by a blow to the side of the head (not face)? I questioned the boxing gloves, but did not realize that other orgs use the boxing gloves in their point kickboxing events too. It just seems strange to me coming from a full contact background and not having done really any point fighting to speak of. You are posting a message to get "amateur kickboxers" on a board where that means contact. I was simply suggesting that when making posts like yours, to maybe include a little on the rules or just call it like it is, "point kickboxing".

I also asked if you thought it would be successful, because with the media today and everyone wanting to see knockouts and blood like in the UFC, I don't see much interest for the point circuit (as far as drawing a big crowd). I could be wrong though.

Are your point matches an "undercard" to the MMA matches? Or are they mixed in, and what response do you get from the die hard mma fans when they watch these matches. I truly am curious.

And, I DID read your whole website. I would not have posted if I hadn't. How many years you have in martial arts and having studied 6 different fighting systems does not mean squat in the boxing ring. I too have over 20 years experience and I have studied MORE than six martial systems. I hold multiple rank...BIG whoop! That does not make me any better or more knowledgable then the next guy, just means I have put my sweat, tears, and blood into my passion, plain and simple, like you. You seem to be getting too defensive and "jumping" back like you were being attacked. LOL. Well, I guess being a smart a s s can be looked upon as attacking, but in actuality, my questions were serious.

I have talked to Jonny Davis briefly about his organization, but reading your posts left me confused. I was merely asking to get clarification.

Now as far as the spelling thing goes...well, I guess I am at fault for being an a s s, but not knowing how to spell is one of my pet peeves, I just can't help it. Committing typos is one thing, but not being able to spell simple words (and having authored a book on business and running a successful school) leaves the reader wondering how smart the person really is. When you spell thoroughly "thurally" and roughly "ruffly" (there are others too) you are not taken as serious as you probably should be. Spelling correctly will give you the appearance of being intelligent (I am not saying you aren't), thus bringing you a bit more respect in your replies on a public message board.

Now on a serious note, I do think the "step up" you are developing is a good thing. There are a lot of decent martial artists who just are not ready for contact (especially to the face) and maybe this transition is just what they need,who knows. If it is working for you and you are getting good feedback, then I commend you on that. That is a good thing.

As far as your "challenge" goes, I am a Pro fighter (kinda retired, kinda not..on the fence) at 155, so 196 is a bit too heavy for me. I do have several students at that weight though, who fight International rules and Muay Thai rules. I am sure I can set that up for you if you like. But they do not do point or even semi contact competition, only contact. Check out my site (if you haven't already) and see what our events are all about. www.teamroundkick.com. I would also welcome you to our events to fight, if it floats your boat. Our next one is in January.

Tag..You're it!

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]for all you spelling B winners, feel free to correct my spelling[/QUOTE]
Man, I was gonna sit back and not say anything but I can only sit on my hands for so long... :D
spelling B= spelling BEE
feed back=feedback (one word)
compitition=competition
alow=allow
ruffly=roughly
tweek=tweak
prepair=prepare
thurally=thoroughly
if you think your bad= you're

again, that program called spell check can catch most of the errors, and so can a 4th grade education. :D just teasin! apparently I share a similar pet peeve with Pete P. Spelling errors make the poster appear less intelligent than they probably are, but it's a fact. It doesn't take much to learn proper spelling of a few more commonly used words and can make readers read your posts in a completely different light.

[Scott Bolinger]

One of my pet peeves is off topic bull**** like this.
This particular thread is to promote a MMA and xxxx kickboxing meet.
This isn’t a thread to promote spell check.


[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]Man, I was gonna sit back and not say anything but I can only sit on my hands for so long... :D
spelling B= spelling BEE
feed back=feedback (one word)
compitition=competition
alow=allow
ruffly=roughly
tweek=tweak
prepair=prepare
thurally=thoroughly
if you think your bad= you're

again, that program called spell check can catch most of the errors, and so can a 4th grade education. :D just teasin! apparently I share a similar pet peeve with Pete P. Spelling errors make the poster appear less intelligent than they probably are, but it's a fact. It doesn't take much to learn proper spelling of a few more commonly used words and can make readers read your posts in a completely different light.[/QUOTE]

[Pete P]

Actually it IS on topic. You want potential fighters to take you serious. My questions in the previous post were not answered, you just got mad about Pam's poking fun at you. Would I have gotten mad about the spelling if it were me doing it?...Yea maybe, but as you should know (being in martial arts for over 22 years as you pointed out), life is about choices. You can choose to get mad or choose to NOT take it so serious. For example: If it were me, I might comeback with something like this:

"well yea I can't really spell worth a darn, never could. BUT don't let that determine your opinion of me. I am legitimate and my shows are top notch. I welcome you to come to my event and see for yourself what kind of program I run. Then draw your opinon based on that, not on how I spell."

See what I mean, then it wouldn't sound like you have a chip on your shoulder, and someone may think you are a professional business who knows what he is doing....just food for thought.

You still haven't explained to the readers, either, that your event is not contact kickboxing, but point kickboxing...oh, I guess I did that for ya, sorry. I do have someone who would get in the ring with ya at 195, for Contact kickboxing though. What do ya think? January?

[Jon Lewis]

Pete,

I'll fight your 195lb guy in Jan! I'm a little light but, with all the holidays between now and then, I'll get there.

As for this post: I choose (like most) to stay clear of this. I wish you good luck with the xxxx.

[Scott Bolinger]

Its not a standard point tournament or point kickboxing meet, if you really need to call it something different you could call it “continuous sparing point kickboxing” but that’s a bit long.. Your standard tournaments usually just go up to 3 or 5 points and on every point the fight is stopped a calling for points from the other 4 judges and then the fight begins again. And you given 2 minutes and the highest scorer wins or the first person to 3 or 5 points. And sometimes in that style of fighting, you don’t really see what a fighter is capable of. But, I’ve seen some fighters that have went from a straight point tournament to full-contact fighting and there hesitant on techniques or they make a hit and don’t fallow through. Or they get fouled or make a foul and there weighting around. Or there jumping in to get the quick point and don’t know how to cover up from a counter attack. A quick point is nice in point tournaments, but you got to have fallow threw in full-contact. Point tournaments are still a pretty big ordeal. There’s a lot of point tournaments in Colorado all over, East of GrandIsland in Nebraska, some competition in Wyoming and east of Soux City in SouthDakota. So that leaves a pretty big gap in competition at were I’m at and neither state is part of a IKF region. For me to get to a regional fight, seems like there either in Boise Idaho or Ohio. Either way it’s over 1000 miles and the closest ikf fight is Kansas City. At were I’m at there’s over 200 schools in a 250 mile radius, so that leaves room for a great deal of competition. And one thing I don’t’ do is discriminate against any other style. I let all striking arts compete in my events.
In a regular point tournament, what you would see is roughly 4 to 6 mats on the floor for competition and the divisions would be broken up by belt rank and age, so in a standard karate type point tournament you might run through roughly 200 fights in about a 3 or 4 hour period. But, you gotta remember , you just going up to 3 points, so the fights go by pretty quickly. In the xxxx style you have 3 rounds that are 2 minutes long and It’ll be in either a ring or on a mat that would be at least 12’X12’ . The event in November 11th will be in a ring and will be sanctioned fights. And this is basically a MMA event and I’m tying into it, so yes the kickboxing is on a under-card. The regular XXXX events are posted on my site for 2007. At those events I’ll run any were from 10 to 20 fights and it shouldn’t take much longer than 3 hours. In the XXXX, you can make challenges if your ranked in the top 10 and at the moment were we are just getting started, it should be fairly easy to get ranked in the top 10. Exhibition matches will count , but a exhibition match won’t put you in the #1 spot. If your not the #1 fighter in your division, then you will be ranked by a point system were if you win a fight, that will give you 3 points and 1 point if you fight but loose and 2 point for a exhibition match.


[QUOTE=Pete P]Scott,

My whole point, which you seemed to have missed, is that I was confused as to why you were calling it amateur kickboxing and not "point kickboxing" which is really what it is, correct? Or can a competitor be knocked out by a blow to the side of the head (not face)? I questioned the boxing gloves, but did not realize that other orgs use the boxing gloves in their point kickboxing events too. It just seems strange to me coming from a full contact background and not having done really any point fighting to speak of. You are posting a message to get "amateur kickboxers" on a board where that means contact. I was simply suggesting that when making posts like yours, to maybe include a little on the rules or just call it like it is, "point kickboxing".

I also asked if you thought it would be successful, because with the media today and everyone wanting to see knockouts and blood like in the UFC, I don't see much interest for the point circuit (as far as drawing a big crowd). I could be wrong though.

Are your point matches an "undercard" to the MMA matches? Or are they mixed in, and what response do you get from the die hard mma fans when they watch these matches. I truly am curious.

And, I DID read your whole website. I would not have posted if I hadn't. How many years you have in martial arts and having studied 6 different fighting systems does not mean squat in the boxing ring. I too have over 20 years experience and I have studied MORE than six martial systems. I hold multiple rank...BIG whoop! That does not make me any better or more knowledgable then the next guy, just means I have put my sweat, tears, and blood into my passion, plain and simple, like you. You seem to be getting too defensive and "jumping" back like you were being attacked. LOL. Well, I guess being a smart a s s can be looked upon as attacking, but in actuality, my questions were serious.

I have talked to Jonny Davis briefly about his organization, but reading your posts left me confused. I was merely asking to get clarification.

Now as far as the spelling thing goes...well, I guess I am at fault for being an a s s, but not knowing how to spell is one of my pet peeves, I just can't help it. Committing typos is one thing, but not being able to spell simple words (and having authored a book on business and running a successful school) leaves the reader wondering how smart the person really is. When you spell thoroughly "thurally" and roughly "ruffly" (there are others too) you are not taken as serious as you probably should be. Spelling correctly will give you the appearance of being intelligent (I am not saying you aren't), thus bringing you a bit more respect in your replies on a public message board.

Now on a serious note, I do think the "step up" you are developing is a good thing. There are a lot of decent martial artists who just are not ready for contact (especially to the face) and maybe this transition is just what they need,who knows. If it is working for you and you are getting good feedback, then I commend you on that. That is a good thing.

As far as your "challenge" goes, I am a Pro fighter (kinda retired, kinda not..on the fence) at 155, so 196 is a bit too heavy for me. I do have several students at that weight though, who fight International rules and Muay Thai rules. I am sure I can set that up for you if you like. But they do not do point or even semi contact competition, only contact. Check out my site (if you haven't already) and see what our events are all about. www.teamroundkick.com (http://www.teamroundkick.com/). I would also welcome you to our events to fight, if it floats your boat. Our next one is in January.

Tag..You're it![/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

well thanks, I do have people just going to watch the event on November to be able to start up in different states. I just try and make the program somewhat simple to understand so you don't have to much red tape to do when running a event.

[QUOTE=Jon Lewis]Pete,

I'll fight your 195lb guy in Jan! I'm a little light but, with all the holidays between now and then, I'll get there.

As for this post: I choose (like most) to stay clear of this. I wish you good luck with the XXXX.[/QUOTE]

[Pete P]

Thanks for the details. I had no idea there were that many schools in that area doing point fighting. IT is not a big thing here in Iowa, as we have more of the contact sport going on. MMA is big here though. I can see, with that many schools to pull from, how you would have some success with that type of tournament. Regarding the fighters going from point right into full contact..I have heard the same thing, so I do agree with you there. Your rules would be a good transition for some of them. I remember with the WCL last year, there was some concern with a few of the top point circuit competitors making the transition. They actually did very well, but the concern was there nonetheless.

Yea i knew the IKF regional events were scarce out that way. I think the Idaho is the closest to you. The Illinois Regional is 2 states closer, though, than Ohio.

Anyway, I understand better now, thank you for the explanation.


[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]Its not a standard point tournament or point kickboxing meet, if you really need to call it something different you could call it “continuous sparing point kickboxing” but that’s a bit long.. Your standard tournaments usually just go up to 3 or 5 points and on every point the fight is stopped a calling for points from the other 4 judges and then the fight begins again. And you given 2 minutes and the highest scorer wins or the first person to 3 or 5 points. And sometimes in that style of fighting, you don’t really see what a fighter is capable of. But, I’ve seen some fighters that have went from a straight point tournament to full-contact fighting and there hesitant on techniques or they make a hit and don’t fallow through. Or they get fouled or make a foul and there weighting around. Or there jumping in to get the quick point and don’t know how to cover up from a counter attack. A quick point is nice in point tournaments, but you got to have fallow threw in full-contact. Point tournaments are still a pretty big ordeal. There’s a lot of point tournaments in Colorado all over, East of GrandIsland in Nebraska, some competition in Wyoming and east of Soux City in SouthDakota. So that leaves a pretty big gap in competition at were I’m at and neither state is part of a IKF region. For me to get to a regional fight, seems like there either in Boise Idaho or Ohio. Either way it’s over 1000 miles and the closest ikf fight is Kansas City. At were I’m at there’s over 200 schools in a 250 mile radius, so that leaves room for a great deal of competition. And one thing I don’t’ do is discriminate against any other style. I let all striking arts compete in my events.
In a regular point tournament, what you would see is roughly 4 to 6 mats on the floor for competition and the divisions would be broken up by belt rank and age, so in a standard karate type point tournament you might run through roughly 200 fights in about a 3 or 4 hour period. But, you gotta remember , you just going up to 3 points, so the fights go by pretty quickly. In the XXXX style you have 3 rounds that are 2 minutes long and It’ll be in either a ring or on a mat that would be at least 12’X12’ . The event in November 11th will be in a ring and will be sanctioned fights. And this is basically a MMA event and I’m tying into it, so yes the kickboxing is on a under-card. The regular XXXX events are posted on my site for 2007. At those events I’ll run any were from 10 to 20 fights and it shouldn’t take much longer than 3 hours. In the XXXX, you can make challenges if your ranked in the top 10 and at the moment were we are just getting started, it should be fairly easy to get ranked in the top 10. Exhibition matches will count , but a exhibition match won’t put you in the #1 spot. If your not the #1 fighter in your division, then you will be ranked by a point system were if you win a fight, that will give you 3 points and 1 point if you fight but loose and 2 point for a exhibition match.[/QUOTE]

[Pete P]

Jon,

That's what ya get fatty, when ya move the school right next to Dairy Queen! Blizzards, Dilly Bars, banana splits....Geesh! Boy, you would be a short 195, huh? Do they have midget kickboxing?? LOL, oh wait..they do. I saw a clip of dwarf Thais fighting in Thailand, it was a riot. I think you can take 'em though buddy.

[QUOTE=Jon Lewis]Pete,

I'll fight your 195lb guy in Jan! I'm a little light but, with all the holidays between now and then, I'll get there.

As for this post: I choose (like most) to stay clear of this. I wish you good luck with the XXXX.[/QUOTE]

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Pete P]"well yea I can't really spell worth a darn, never could. BUT don't let that determine your opinion of me. I am legitimate and my shows are top notch. I welcome you to come to my event and see for yourself what kind of program I run. Then draw your opinon based on that, not on how I spell." [/QUOTE]
No Pete, it will actually be like this.... "wull yea I cant realy spel wurth a darn, never could. BUT dont let that ditermin your apinion of me. I am ligitimate and my shows are top notch. I wulcome you to come to my event and see for yourself whut kind of program I run. Then draw your apinon based on that, not on how I spel." :D :D

sorry, i am just having fun!!! ;)

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger] At were I’m at there’s over 200 schools in a 250 mile radius, so that leaves room for a great deal of competition. And one thing I don’t’ do is discriminate against any other style. I let all striking arts compete in my events.[/QUOTE]
To be serious now........

Scott,

You are in the perfect location to establish yourself in your area for IKF events and even possibly set up a regional of your own. Maybe you should consider this and visit with Steve about it. If you have that many schools over in your area, you could get more schools involved and start creating more opportunities for your fighters and theirs. That way as you transition over into full contact, you will already have established fighters and schools. It would also give the fighters living over there a chance to start attending an IKF regional instead of having to skip or travel so far.
Just some thoughts.

[Cellar Fight Team]

To Pete & Jon -

The same kind of mental control that someone uses to "choose to get mad or choose to NOT take it so serious" applies to Dairy Queen as well!!!

It was my choice to move the gym next to the DQ to feed off a high traffic area of families with small children for my school. It was Jon "Dilly Bar" Lewis that made the decision to eat there before and after every training session!!!

I'm sorry Jon, I'm not taking the blame for this anymore...By the way I seem to remember a certain "Dilly Bar" also having trouble making weight last Feb in our old location. Maybe that was because of all the Broadway Pizza you would bring with you to the gym. :D

[Randy B]

Sheesh! Lewis at 195? Me thinks that's a lot of Dilly bars and Pizza!

Mr. Cichon how do you manage to avoid the temptation of a DQ right next door?

[Cellar Fight Team]

Bartles -

I never said I was avoiding temptation at DQ! I'm taking a break from fighting for a while to focus on the business side of things, and trust me, I'm giving Jon a race to see who is going to become the Cellar's first Heavyweight!

But to my defense when you work all day with only the DQ in walking distance, you end up having quite a few meals and snacks there.

[Scott Bolinger]

that is something that I have been considering probably about 6 months down the road. I do have a heavy weight that can compete in the full contact or international rules. He also does MMA. But i'm still trying to get a good sized list of fighters and it's slowlly building. But , i'm also the Nebraska representative for XXXXX, wich is based out of turkey. There fighting rules are more like the IKF for full contact, internatnial rules and Mua Tai in both amateur and pro.

[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]To be serious now........

Scott,

You are in the perfect location to establish yourself in your area for IKF events and even possibly set up a regional of your own. Maybe you should consider this and visit with Steve about it. If you have that many schools over in your area, you could get more schools involved and start creating more opportunities for your fighters and theirs. That way as you transition over into full contact, you will already have established fighters and schools. It would also give the fighters living over there a chance to start attending an IKF regional instead of having to skip or travel so far.
Just some thoughts.[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Scott,
How hard would it be to just have maybe one or two full contact kickboxing bouts on your show mixed in with the no face contact bouts?

[Scott Bolinger]

it wouldn't be very hard to do that. Probably take me 10 minutes to write up the rules on that and i'll probably need to add a cruiser weight in there. But on full contact I wouldn't go by belt, it would just go by weight. It's something I could probably do on the December meet were i'd tie into the MMA event and then it would be sanctioned. But I probably won't do that on my regular XXXX events. It would still count as a XXXX fight. It's something to think about , and i'll talk to the MMA promoter on that. I've been getting requests for full contact fights out of Colorado and South Dakota.

[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]Scott,
How hard would it be to just have maybe one or two full contact kickboxing bouts on your show mixed in with the no face contact bouts?[/QUOTE]

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]it wouldn't be very hard to do that. Probably take me 10 minutes to write up the rules on that and i'll probably need to add a cruiser weight in there. But on full contact I wouldn't go by belt, it would just go by weight. It's something I could probably do on the December meet were i'd tie into the MMA event and then it would be sanctioned. But I probably won't do that on my regular XXXX events. It would still count as a XXXX fight. It's something to think about , and i'll talk to the MMA promoter on that. I've been getting requests for full contact fights out of Colorado and South Dakota.[/QUOTE]
huh??? :confused:
It would be a sanctioned event yet you would "write up the rules"????? :eek: If it is a sanctioned event, at least by the IKF, you will be following THEIR rules, not whatever you write up. The sanctioning body's rules will be explained to the fighters by the sanctioning body's Reps that you pay to oversee your show to make sure the sanctioning bodys rules are all followed thoroughly.

Who is the MMA promoter? I was getting the impression that you were the MMA promoter also. Someone else is putting on these events and you are just adding your continuous point sparring (no face contact) into his events? Who sanctions the MMA events?

[Pete P]

Pam,

I think Scott means that his XXXX would be the sanctioning body, therefore the rules need to be written. This is my guess, since he said it would still count as a XXXX fight (for the rankings?). And I am guessing that it would not be on one of the XXXX meets because there would not be a boxing ring, is that right?

I don't believe amateur kickboxing has to be sanctioned in Nebraska anyway. So if there is a boxing ring at the event, then I don't see how it would be an issue, but not my event so that is up to Scott.

Scott, have you ever fought full contact in any of the rules, like FCR or IR or MTR...or just the point circuit? I know you have boxed, but am curious about the kickboxing.

[P.J. Reilly]

Scott,
How many continuous contact bouts will someone need to have in the XXXX to move into the full contact bouts? Also, would you be fighting? I see on your website that you compete in martial arts events. Would you be competing in the XXXX? I'm weighing in at about 190lbs right now. Just curious as you're one of the only people that I know of in the area that wants to promote kickboxing.

[Scott Bolinger]

i'd like to see fighters get at least 10 fights before going into amateur full contact. And I’ll be fighting, and when I’m not fighting, more than likely I’ll be a ref. But if someone wants to stay in the continuous sparring point tournaments for a while, I do have time limits a person can hold the championship before they will have to move up a belt level. That way you don’t get a purple belt staying in that division for 5 years, just fighting in that division and keeping a championship in that division when in that amount of time they should be able to obtain a brown belt and start fighting people more in there fighting ability.

I am looking for a fight for me. I'm at 196 and you would be in my wight class.

I also need a fighter at the same weight class but iether a green or purple belt. And then i'm looking for a heavy weight to match up with my guy, he's about 6' 5" at 220 lbs.


[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]Scott,
How many continuous contact bouts will someone need to have in the XXXX to move into the full contact bouts? Also, would you be fighting? I see on your website that you compete in martial arts events. Would you be competing in the XXXX? I'm weighing in at about 190lbs right now. Just curious as you're one of the only people that I know of in the area that wants to promote kickboxing.[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Unfortunately, I'm really only interested in full contact at this time. I'd compete against you in those rules but not continuous contact. Either way, good luck and I look forward to your events when you do add the full contact bouts.

[Scott Bolinger]

I believe with any full contact fighting, you need to have it sanctioned and meet the approval of the athletics commission. With certain qualification and a certain amount of officials to run the events. Point style of competition you don't really have to worry about that. But any fight that I’m at whether I’m doing my own kickboxing event or tying into someone else’s event, I’ll sanction the kickboxing part. Most of the time when I’m tying into the MMA events, there will be a boxing ring there. My personal events will usually be on a mat.

[QUOTE=Pete P]Pam,

I think Scott means that his XXXX would be the sanctioning body, therefore the rules need to be written. This is my guess, since he said it would still count as a XXXX fight (for the rankings?). And I am guessing that it would not be on one of the XXXX meets because there would not be a boxing ring, is that right?

I don't believe amateur kickboxing has to be sanctioned in Nebraska anyway. So if there is a boxing ring at the event, then I don't see how it would be an issue, but not my event so that is up to Scott.

Scott, have you ever fought full contact in any of the rules, like FCR or IR or MTR...or just the point circuit? I know you have boxed, but am curious about the kickboxing.[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

Cory Williams out of Torrington Wyoming is a pro-boxer and a licensed promoter. so he's putting on the fights and I tie into his fights. I have a heavy weight MMA fighter thats been fighting in his events. So he ok's me adding my kickboxing on his events. Out side of that, I also have my own events, which I have specific dates for 2007 posted on my site. But for people that want to fight more than just 4 times a year, can fight at those events. Which would add points to move you up in the ranks.


[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]huh??? :confused:
It would be a sanctioned event yet you would "write up the rules"????? :eek: If it is a sanctioned event, at least by the IKF, you will be following THEIR rules, not whatever you write up. The sanctioning body's rules will be explained to the fighters by the sanctioning body's Reps that you pay to oversee your show to make sure the sanctioning bodys rules are all followed thoroughly.

Who is the MMA promoter? I was getting the impression that you were the MMA promoter also. Someone else is putting on these events and you are just adding your continuous point sparring (no face contact) into his events? Who sanctions the MMA events?[/QUOTE]

[Pete P]

Hey Scott,

What do you think about fighting P.J. Reilly on my January 13th card in Iowa?? It would be full contact or International or Muay thai, whichever you want. That is the date of our next show, we put on a class act over here with nothing but good feedback from coaches, fighters, and fans. You said in a post below that you and he are in the same weight class. What are your thoughts?

[P.J. Reilly]

Hey Pete, assuming Scott wants in I'm up for it. Thanks!

[Scott Bolinger]

It would have to be after my February fight before i'm able to travel that far.

[QUOTE=Pete P]Hey Scott,

What do you think about fighting P.J. Reilly on my January 13th card in Iowa?? It would be full contact or International or Muay thai, whichever you want. That is the date of our next show, we put on a class act over here with nothing but good feedback from coaches, fighters, and fans. You said in a post below that you and he are in the same weight class. What are your thoughts?[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

For pro fighters
I got a guy at 210 pounds with a record of 15-2 for Mua Tai

and a guy at 135 pounds with a record of 138-8 for regular full contact kickboxing or international rules.

these two could take a fight for the November 11th event or December 2nd.

These 2 are Cory Williams fighters

Most of my fighters are first time fighters for amateur.

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]It would have to be after my February fight before i'm able to travel that far.[/QUOTE]

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]For pro fighters
I got a guy at 210 pounds with a record of 15-2 for Mua Tai.[/QUOTE]
It's spelled MUAY THAI ... you know, after the country it originated in... THAIland...

every time I see you misspell it, I think of an umbrella drink! :D

[Pete P]

Scott,
If it makes a difference, I do pay travel, so it would not be on your dime. But I also have an event in Des Moines that will be the towards the end of Feb or first week of March, will know more later today on exact date, which that may work for you, let me know.

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]It would have to be after my February fight before i'm able to travel that far.[/QUOTE]

[Pete P]

Can you provide contact info for Cory Williams please? I would like to know how many fighters he has for International rules and possbily Muay Thai (amateur level). The guy who is 138-8...that is rare to hear of a fighter with that many fights and not being "MUAY THAI" fights. What is his name, do ya know?

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]For pro fighters
I got a guy at 210 pounds with a record of 15-2 for Mua Tai

and a guy at 135 pounds with a record of 138-8 for regular full contact kickboxing or international rules.

these two could take a fight for the November 11th event or December 2nd.

These 2 are Cory Williams fighters

Most of my fighters are first time fighters for amateur.[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Scott, Is 138-8 this guy's kickboxing record or his boxing record? And I'm probably ok for Feb.

[Jon Lewis]

Pete,

Normally Justin picks my opponents but, I could be made available for the 138-8 guy. Let Justin know.

[Pete P]

Jon,

I think Scott was saying that the 138-8 guy is Pro, but we can wait for his reply to find out. I know you are dying to go Pro so you can "attempt" to take my belt. :D

[Scott Bolinger]

yes, he would be a pro-kickboxer
the 215 pounder is a pro - MT

Cory Williams contact info:
Phone: 720-253-3414


[QUOTE=Pete P]Jon,

I think Scott was saying that the 138-8 guy is Pro, but we can wait for his reply to find out. I know you are dying to go Pro so you can "attempt" to take my belt. :D[/QUOTE]

[Cellar Fight Team]

Pete,

Under the "RIGHT" circumstances, I could pose a challenge to you.

JL

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Cellar Fight Team]Pete,

Under the "RIGHT" circumstances, I could pose a challenge to you.

JL[/QUOTE]
What would that be......... after he's had a 12 pack? :D

[Jon Lewis]

Is a 12 pack enough???

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Jon Lewis]Is a 12 pack enough???[/QUOTE]
on an empty stomach, YES! he's a lightweight! oh wait, thats a light middleweight. :D

[admin]

Scott,

According to your rules page;

You have no face contact.
Not in a Ring.
Traditional martial arts uniform maybe worn
3 – 2 minute rounds

So am I correct to say this is a lot like IKF Point Kickboxing?

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/PKB.htm

IKF Point KB rules:

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/PKBRules.htm

Thanks
Brett

[Scott Bolinger]

it's similar, but if you're used to IKF point fighting and going to try a XXXX point fighting , just brush up on the rules a little bit, because in XXXX you can make points off of hits to the outer and top of the thy.

[QUOTE=admin]Scott,

According to your rules page;

You have no face contact.
Not in a Ring.
Traditional martial arts uniform maybe worn
3 – 2 minute rounds

So am I correct to say this is a lot like IKF Point Kickboxing?

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/PKB.htm

IKF Point KB rules:

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/PKBRules.htm

Thanks
Brett[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Scott,
So, will Jon Lewis be fighting the 138-8 guy? BTW, what are the names of the two pro's?

[fighterzack]

Do you mean thigh?

[Scott Bolinger]

there hasn't been anything set yet. But there's only another week to get the fight set up.

the 210 pound guy is Jose Beltran

the 135 pound guy is cliff walker


[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]Scott,
So, will Jon Lewis be fighting the 138-8 guy? BTW, what are the names of the two pro's?[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

the November 11th event has been canceled. The fights will be moved to Torrington WY. on December 2nd.

Cliff allready has a fight for that date, but Jose is still looking for a fght. Just get a hold of Cory on that fight to set that up. There will also be some MMA bouts.

I'll also try and put together some fights with my guys for the continuous point sparring.

[Pete P]

Man, this thread just gets more ridiculous as it goes...

Cliff walker does not come up on any kickboxing searches I have done, yet on the boxing searches one of his opponent's said in an interview "I heard he was a world kickboxing champion....." This particular fight was a draw.

Scott, you say he has a record of 138-8...As of Feb 17th of this year, he was still 0-4 boxing. He has won only 2 since then. I can find NOTHING on him kickboxing. He is 41 years old now, definitely long enough to have a good record, but NOTHING shows up.

Jose Beltran only comes up on boxing as well and he has well under 10 fights too, and by looking at the pics he needs to go on a serious diet if he is trying to be a fighter.

What kind of shows are you people putting on out there in Nebraska/Colorado??

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]there hasn't been anything set yet. But there's only another week to get the fight set up.

the 210 pound guy is Jose Beltran

the 135 pound guy is cliff walker[/QUOTE]
Hey, is this your Cliff Walker....
Fun Show at Manhattan Results (http://blog.thesweetscience.com/2006/02/17/fun-show-at-manhattan-center-3)

[P.J. Reilly]

Well, if he is a world champion kickboxer put him against PKL US pro champion Pete Peterson or even amateur world champion Jon Lewis. That should make for a great bout. They're both posting on this thread so they know who to contact. Let's get something going.

[Scott Bolinger]

well, he's not one of my fighters, he's one of Corys, you'll need to contact him on more specifics.

[QUOTE=Pete P]Man, this thread just gets more ridiculous as it goes...

Cliff walker does not come up on any kickboxing searches I have done, yet on the boxing searches one of his opponent's said in an interview "I heard he was a world kickboxing champion....." This particular fight was a draw.

Scott, you say he has a record of 138-8...As of Feb 17th of this year, he was still 0-4 boxing. He has won only 2 since then. I can find NOTHING on him kickboxing. He is 41 years old now, definitely long enough to have a good record, but NOTHING shows up.

Jose Beltran only comes up on boxing as well and he has well under 10 fights too, and by looking at the pics he needs to go on a serious diet if he is trying to be a fighter.

What kind of shows are you people putting on out there in Nebraska/Colorado??[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

must be a different guy, can't be to out of shape at 135 pounds and have the fighter record he has. I havn't seen him fight yet, but i'll see him fight in December.


[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]Hey, is this your Cliff Walker....
Fun Show at Manhattan Results (http://blog.thesweetscience.com/2006/02/17/fun-show-at-manhattan-center-3)[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

that would be a good idea. Go for the January or February event.

[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]Well, if he is a world champion kickboxer put him against PKL US pro champion Pete Peterson or even amateur world champion Jon Lewis. That should make for a great bout. They're both posting on this thread so they know who to contact. Let's get something going.[/QUOTE]

[Pete P]

Fine with me, but Walker will have to gain some weight. I will NOT fight at 135, nor meet in the middle. But hey, if he is truly 138-8 (which I seriously doubt) then he should have no problem coming up in weight to atleast 147 (I will drop to 153 or a bit lower) since I am only 6-2.

[P.J. Reilly]

Scott, sounds great. Would this be the February event that you and I would compete against each other in?

[Pete P]

PJ,

If you are referring to my Feb event to fight Scott on, it is now March 3rd and that is confirmed, in Des Moines.

[P.J. Reilly]

Oh, ok. And sorry for throwing your name in to fight Cliff Walker. I just thought we should get something going. We could make an entire fight card just out of the fighters mentioned on this thread!

[Scott Bolinger]

To tell ya the truth, I’d probably wouldn’t care to work with you on any fights until you quit insulting me. I usually trust my associates in there abilities as well as what they say and I don’t treat them like crap.

[QUOTE=Pete P]PJ,

If you are referring to my Feb event to fight Scott on, it is now March 3rd and that is confirmed, in Des Moines.[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Scott,
Don't take what has been said here as an insult. People on this board know the game of kickboxing inside and out. When they hear of new promotion or fighter they will do their research to see what it's all about. Pete runs an excellent show. I have fought for him before and he treats his fighters very well. Maybe we could do a cooperative deal where Pete sends fighters to your show and you send fighters to Pete's show? You and I could fight on either your's or Pete's event. Tell me what you guys think.

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]To tell ya the truth, I’d probably wouldn’t care to work with you on any fights until you quit insulting me. I usually trust my associates in there abilities as well as what they say and I don’t treat them like crap.[/QUOTE]
No one is treating you like crap, anything posted has been in good fun or honest inquiries of your event. As PJ said, many on here know "kickboxing" and your style is different then the rules most of us know.

I'm actually kinda shocked that you would not take a fight because you feel that you were insulted........ most experienced fighters would take it as incentive to step into the ring to put the "insulters" in their place... Usually a little smack talk is what gets a real fighters adrenaline pumping and make them want to take the fight....

[Scott Bolinger]

this particular forum is for non-ikf events. so something that don't actually fallow the IKF rules should be ok. Theres all sorts of different circuits and federations to run on. And they all have a different set of rules and some are fairly simular.

But i'd imagine that if I was to take a IKF fight or set up one of my students with a IKF fight it would probably be out of Kansas City.
I suppose were you are from and the business you do, you insult someone and you get fighters to fight in your tournaments. For me, it's a business decision. I'll either help your program by bringing my fighters there or I can take my business elsewhere. I just prefer to work with people that know how to treate potential clients or business associates. Telling someone in a round about way that there a liar, is a pretty big insult.

I've been instructing martial arts sense 1985, but my kickboxing federations is fairly new. Started up in August of this year and I have been getting some very good business associates that want to expand my federation into there state. So, that is my primary focus at this time, IKF events would be a distant second or third on the list, unless I find a descant person to work with. Then i'll see what I can do to get fighters around my area that would want to fight full contact.



[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]No one is treating you like crap, anything posted has been in good fun or honest inquiries of your event. As PJ said, many on here know "kickboxing" and your style is different then the rules most of us know.

I'm actually kinda shocked that you would not take a fight because you feel that you were insulted........ most experienced fighters would take it as incentive to step into the ring to put the "insulters" in their place... Usually a little smack talk is what gets a real fighters adrenaline pumping and make them want to take the fight....[/QUOTE]

[Pete P]

Well Scott,

First of all...No one insulted you. We only asked for clarification as to what your "kickboxing" was, because it is not normal kickboxing that most on here are involved with. Your kickboxing is a point tournament (continuous format). The only "insult", if you want to call it that, was about your spelling because it is terrible. But that is really just giving you crap, not insulting you. For example, you said:

"this particular forum is for non-ikf events. so something that don't actually fallow the IKF rules should be ok. Theres all sorts of different circuits and federations to run on. And they all have a different set of rules and some are fairly simular."

Well, the word FALLOW..what is that? Is that when you FALL down and say OW? Or do you mean FOLLOW? See, this is giving you crap because for someone who has authored a book, one would assume your spelling would be top notch. There are many errors in your post but we won't get into those.

Furthermore, regarding your quote above...yes this particular part of the forum is for NON-IKF events and news but they also request that other sanctioning bodies are NOT advertised here. Which you ARE advertising your XXXX, correct?

NEXT..I call no one a liar..whether it be straight to their face or on a forum. So not sure what you are referring to here. IF you mean when I said that I doubted that Cliff Walker was really 138-8...that is not calling you a liar. That is simply stating that I doubted his record because I can't find anything kickboxing related on him when searching. You already stated he was not your fighter, so why would I think YOU were lying about it. There are many, many fighters who make up huge records or "sandbag" on their records to get fights. I am not saying you are lying about anything. I have however 'questioned' you several times, which this is a forum and I have a right to do that to get clarification or to better understand you.

"I suppose were you are from and the business you do, you insult someone and you get fighters to fight in your tournaments."

NO, not at all. I think you misunderstood. Actually, we have a very good relationship with all the fighters and trainers we work with. We also get very good feedback from those who compete on our events. I can give you a long list of references if you like. But, yes you can go to Kansas City. I know some GREAT guys there who are very respected and they have some great fighters too. Knock yourself out. Would you like me to give you some contacts?

"I've been instructing martial arts sense 1985, but my kickboxing federations is fairly new. Started up in August of this year and I have been getting some very good business associates that want to expand my federation into there state. So, that is my primary focus at this time, IKF events would be a distant second or third on the list, unless I find a descant person to work with. Then i'll see what I can do to get fighters around my area that would want to fight full contact."

So let me get this straight. You are on an IKF forum (even though this area is for NON-IKF events news) and yet, you would only consider doing or being involved with IKF events as a distant second or third on your list. YOU are on here trying to get fighters for YOUR XXXX. Didn't you author a book and part of it was on running a successful business? Is this good business ethics? Hmmm......Ya might want to re-think that Scott, just a thought.

[Scott Bolinger]

it's a simple business decision. You come across as a very arrogant person and very disrespectful of new people in these forums. That must be your character trait. I just prefer doing business with someone with a different character trait than what you have shown. Down the road, I do plan on working with some IKF associates.

[QUOTE=Pete P]Well Scott,

First of all...No one insulted you. We only asked for clarification as to what your "kickboxing" was, because it is not normal kickboxing that most on here are involved with. Your kickboxing is a point tournament (continuous format). The only "insult", if you want to call it that, was about your spelling because it is terrible. But that is really just giving you crap, not insulting you. For example, you said:

"this particular forum is for non-ikf events. so something that don't actually fallow the IKF rules should be ok. Theres all sorts of different circuits and federations to run on. And they all have a different set of rules and some are fairly simular."

Well, the word FALLOW..what is that? Is that when you FALL down and say OW? Or do you mean FOLLOW? See, this is giving you crap because for someone who has authored a book, one would assume your spelling would be top notch. There are many errors in your post but we won't get into those.

Furthermore, regarding your quote above...yes this particular part of the forum is for NON-IKF events and news but they also request that other sanctioning bodies are NOT advertised here. Which you ARE advertising your XXXX, correct?

NEXT..I call no one a liar..whether it be straight to their face or on a forum. So not sure what you are referring to here. IF you mean when I said that I doubted that Cliff Walker was really 138-8...that is not calling you a liar. That is simply stating that I doubted his record because I can't find anything kickboxing related on him when searching. You already stated he was not your fighter, so why would I think YOU were lying about it. There are many, many fighters who make up huge records or "sandbag" on their records to get fights. I am not saying you are lying about anything. I have however 'questioned' you several times, which this is a forum and I have a right to do that to get clarification or to better understand you.

"I suppose were you are from and the business you do, you insult someone and you get fighters to fight in your tournaments."

NO, not at all. I think you misunderstood. Actually, we have a very good relationship with all the fighters and trainers we work with. We also get very good feedback from those who compete on our events. I can give you a long list of references if you like. But, yes you can go to Kansas City. I know some GREAT guys there who are very respected and they have some great fighters too. Knock yourself out. Would you like me to give you some contacts?

"I've been instructing martial arts sense 1985, but my kickboxing federations is fairly new. Started up in August of this year and I have been getting some very good business associates that want to expand my federation into there state. So, that is my primary focus at this time, IKF events would be a distant second or third on the list, unless I find a descant person to work with. Then i'll see what I can do to get fighters around my area that would want to fight full contact."

So let me get this straight. You are on an IKF forum (even though this area is for NON-IKF events news) and yet, you would only consider doing or being involved with IKF events as a distant second or third on your list. YOU are on here trying to get fighters for YOUR XXXX. Didn't you author a book and part of it was on running a successful business? Is this good business ethics? Hmmm......Ya might want to re-think that Scott, just a thought.[/QUOTE]

[Jon Lewis]

I want nothing to do with this post but, I will say this: Scott, you are wrong about the Petersons. They're a class act. I trust few promoters and the Petersons are one of them.

[Pammypanda1]

Scott,

As Jon Lewis said, you can't be more wrong about Pete. He is one of the most respectful people I know. You can ask anyone on this board that knows him and they will tell you that he is an honest and professional promoter that tries very hard to make sure the fighters on his events are cared for and not taken advantage of. As for your choice to only do business with respectful people, then Pete would easily be included because he is definitely one of those.

Now me on the other hand.... :p just kidding. I like to tease and give people a hard time and if you dont actually know me, then you could take it wrong, which you have. A lot of people do on here, simply because my words come off sharper then intended, most of the time (not all of the time. :D ) I tend to toss in a little more sarcasm with my humor then a lot do but then that is the way I was raised. I dont see anything wrong with a good verbal debate or sparring session. Keeps the brain from softening up. As they say, use it or lose it. :p

I'm sorry, but bad spelling, in this day and age with the technology we have available to us, is really not necessary, and especially when someone lists their credentials to include authoring a book. Grammar and spelling are necessary to author a book, but that is just my opinion. If I have offended you with my opinion and teasin, I humbly apologize.

You came on here to post for fighters looking to fight in YOUR sanctioning body, even though the IKF politely requests that we do not advertise or promote other sanctioning bodies, which is very understandable. When someone out of the blue comes on here to do what you did, it is only natural for those with experience in fighting to check a few things out. Asking you to explain your rules style and then asking additional questions to further understand it because what you posted was not clear, is not disrespecting you. I am sorry you feel as if that is an attack instead of taking it as genuine interest in what it is you are trying to do.

Apparently the personalities at hand are as different as the fighting styles. Your rules style is a continous point sparring, ours is Muay Thai. I think it would be safe to say Muay Thai is not for the tender hearted. Hence why the difference in opinions on several of these posts and maybe why you dont feel you could step into the ring on our event.

and just an FYI --- "smack" talking has been going on in the fight world before the first punch was thrown. Fighters do it all the time in order to call someone out or once they know who they are fighting to get a little reaction. If the one it is being directed to is truly a fighter, then they usually arise to the talk, not back down and say they are being disrespected. If you're a fighter, then fight, if you want to play make believe then dont post for KICKBOXERS on this board and expect to not have someone question it. Now, you can take that for the way I meant it or decide that I was disrespecting you again. your choice.

[Scott Bolinger]

Non IKF Kickboxing Events & News (1 Viewing)
This Forum is for ANY Kickboxing News, Events, People Etc. Sanctioned by ANY Organization. Feel free to post as you please about KICKBOXING! [size=3][color=red]We only ask that you do not advertise other Sanctioning Bodies Here. [/color][/size]


I advertised my event and showed you a website were all the rules can be located. I didn't advertised a sanctioned body to join. But I will allow any organization to post there events and promote there business on my site, as long as its something to do with martial arts and boxing. Its free advertisement. And if you make a product, shoot me a deal and i'll consider it. I'm usually pretty flexible.

But, when you say, a real fighter, when challenged would go to were you are and prove it which is about 1200 miles. I don't see you coming to Nebraska and fighting when you are challenged. That’s being a hypocrite. You're probably not intentionally trying to be a hypocrite. A real fighter or promoter would probably send me a list of there illegible fighters and what they would fighter under, then maybe I could help set up some fights for my area or draw some interest to yours.


[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]Scott,

As Jon Lewis said, you can't be more wrong about Pete. He is one of the most respectful people I know. You can ask anyone on this board that knows him and they will tell you that he is an honest and professional promoter that tries very hard to make sure the fighters on his events are cared for and not taken advantage of. As for your choice to only do business with respectful people, then Pete would easily be included because he is definitely one of those.

Now me on the other hand.... :p just kidding. I like to tease and give people a hard time and if you dont actually know me, then you could take it wrong, which you have. A lot of people do on here, simply because my words come off sharper then intended, most of the time (not all of the time. :D ) I tend to toss in a little more sarcasm with my humor then a lot do but then that is the way I was raised. I dont see anything wrong with a good verbal debate or sparring session. Keeps the brain from softening up. As they say, use it or lose it. :p

I'm sorry, but bad spelling, in this day and age with the technology we have available to us, is really not necessary, and especially when someone lists their credentials to include authoring a book. Grammar and spelling are necessary to author a book, but that is just my opinion. If I have offended you with my opinion and teasin, I humbly apologize.

You came on here to post for fighters looking to fight in YOUR sanctioning body, even though the IKF politely requests that we do not advertise or promote other sanctioning bodies, which is very understandable. When someone out of the blue comes on here to do what you did, it is only natural for those with experience in fighting to check a few things out. Asking you to explain your rules style and then asking additional questions to further understand it because what you posted was not clear, is not disrespecting you. I am sorry you feel as if that is an attack instead of taking it as genuine interest in what it is you are trying to do.

Apparently the personalities at hand are as different as the fighting styles. Your rules style is a continous point sparring, ours is Muay Thai. I think it would be safe to say Muay Thai is not for the tender hearted. Hence why the difference in opinions on several of these posts and maybe why you dont feel you could step into the ring on our event.

and just an FYI --- "smack" talking has been going on in the fight world before the first punch was thrown. Fighters do it all the time in order to call someone out or once they know who they are fighting to get a little reaction. If the one it is being directed to is truly a fighter, then they usually arise to the talk, not back down and say they are being disrespected. If you're a fighter, then fight, if you want to play make believe then dont post for KICKBOXERS on this board and expect to not have someone question it. Now, you can take that for the way I meant it or decide that I was disrespecting you again. your choice.[/QUOTE]

[Randy B]

Scott,

It's 577 miles from Alliance, Nebraska to Carroll, Iowa. Also you probably mean eligible fighters instead of illegible fighters don't you? I think the reason you might have trouble finding fighters on this board to fight on your shows is because of your specific rules stating no contact to the face, no sweeping the base leg, etc. As has been previously stated, the fighting most of us on this board do is full contact, international rules, or Muay Thai kickboxing where these things are allowed.

Just my two cents,

Randy

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]But, when you say, a real fighter, when challenged would go to were you are and prove it which is about 1200 miles. I don't see you coming to Nebraska and fighting when you are challenged. That’s being a hypocrite. You're probably not intentionally trying to be a hypocrite. A real fighter or promoter would probably send me a list of there illegible fighters and what they would fighter under, then maybe I could help set up some fights for my area or draw some interest to yours.[/QUOTE]
I guess I took you posts about your sanctioning body "XXXX" to be advertising another sanctioning body. sorry. :rolleyes:

I dont recall anyone challenging me to a fight to even turn down. So I guess I'm not being a hypocrit, am I. I know Pete asked if you would be interested in fighting PJ on our card since he expressed an interest, so it would be NEUTRAL territory for both of you since he is from CO and you are from NE. PJ is not our fighter, so we're not asking you to travel 577 miles (not 1200) to fight one of our guys. (And we pay travel expenses, so nothing it out of your pocket.) And if I can find the post, I thought you had already accepted, as long as it was after February, but now you cant cause we are not respecting you...

I didnt realize that you, at 195, wanted to fight Pete, at 155, (are you calling him out????) but I'm sure he would step into the ring with you if you really wanted him to and even compromise to International Rules and give up his knees and elbows. But he gets to punch you in the face! :D

[Scott Bolinger]

for starting up a somewhat new type of competition, i'm not having to hard of a time getting fights set up. Just takes a little while to build up a list of serious competitors. As well as getting to know a few of the coaches that believe in competition. I do like the way the IKF has there weight division set up for there point sparring competitions. Pretty much the same if your in the black belt competition for the old style 3/5 point system. Something I might consider going to later on down the road.

[QUOTE=Randy B]Scott,

It's 577 miles from Alliance, Nebraska to Carroll, Iowa. Also you probably mean eligible fighters instead of illegible fighters don't you? I think the reason you might have trouble finding fighters on this board to fight on your shows is because of your specific rules stating no contact to the face, no sweeping the base leg, etc. As has been previously stated, the fighting most of us on this board do is full contact, international rules, or Muay Thai kickboxing where these things are allowed.

Just my two cents,

Randy[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

I won't fight some tiny 155 pound guy, i'd just wip out my third leg, thump and that would be the end of the fight.

[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]I guess I took you posts about your sanctioning body "XXXX" to be advertising another sanctioning body. sorry. :rolleyes:

I dont recall anyone challenging me to a fight to even turn down. So I guess I'm not being a hypocrit, am I. I know Pete asked if you would be interested in fighting PJ on our card since he expressed an interest, so it would be NEUTRAL territory for both of you since he is from CO and you are from NE. PJ is not our fighter, so we're not asking you to travel 577 miles (not 1200) to fight one of our guys. (And we pay travel expenses, so nothing it out of your pocket.) And if I can find the post, I thought you had already accepted, as long as it was after February, but now you cant cause we are not respecting you...

I didnt realize that you, at 195, wanted to fight Pete, at 155, (are you calling him out????) but I'm sure he would step into the ring with you if you really wanted him to and even compromise to International Rules and give up his knees and elbows. But he gets to punch you in the face! :D[/QUOTE]

[Pete P]

OMG..I about choked laughing so hard. GREAT comeback! Maybe I do like you afterall. I thought you would take Pam's post seriously, but you jumped back with some wit...cool!

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]I won't fight some tiny 155 pound guy, i'd just wip out my third leg, thump and that would be the end of the fight.[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Well, ummmm, so where does that leave us?

[Pete P]

Uhmm...well, P.J., I don't know. I was gonna come right back with something like: Uh, Scott, my third leg bends where yours ends! But then that might not be appropriate. OH wait....I just did say it, huh? Ah well, it will probably get deleted. What if I say I got more draggin' than Scott has hangin', would that work? Nah, probably not. BUT I do know how to spell WHIP rather than WIP, I think Nebraska has a different dictionary or something. :D

[P.J. Reilly]

So no fight then?

[Tim.G]

Hey Pete,
Now what are you trying to say about us over here in Omaha!! :D Have an Amazing day!!!

Tim Gorham

[Pete P]

[QUOTE=Tim.G]Hey Pete,
Now what are you trying to say about us over here in Omaha!! :D Have an Amazing day!!!

Tim Gorham[/QUOTE]

LOL, Tim, You guys in Omaha are close enough to Iowa so your intelligence level is much higher, so you guys have the same dictionary as us. I am just giving Scott Crap 'cause bad spelling is a pet peeve of mine.

Hey, btw, I need to give Mick a call...Chase green wants to rematch with you. Are you even training and fighting still?

You have an amazing day/night too!!

[Pete P]

[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]So no fight then?[/QUOTE]

I don't know P.J. Scott has said that he will not fight on my card because I am rude, disrespectful, arrogant, unprofessional, and I have bad business practices, so.....not sure where that leaves a match for you and he. I guess on his card, if he agrees to it. Like you said, it would be on neutral ground if you two fought on my card (provided he even accepts a fight with you), but I guess I am not the business man he wants to associate with.

[Scott Bolinger]

one of my fighters would be interested in going to one of your events. He allready has a fight for December and would probably take a fight in January or March.

Weight: 214
He prefers MMA
but might consider: full contact kickboxing or international rules
his record is: 0-1-0
Amateur status

[Scott Bolinger]

I did have a chance to talk to John about the point tournaments he putts on , might be able to some day expand that into my area. Alot of his events are in California. But he also said at the August meet that there will be full conatact as well as point. Thats for the meet in Chicago and i'll probably try and get to that. But I do like the weight devisions that the IKF has, so i'll be changing to more like that, and go back to my old weight devision for full conact.

[QUOTE=admin]Scott,

According to your rules page;

You have no face contact.
Not in a Ring.
Traditional martial arts uniform maybe worn
3 – 2 minute rounds

So am I correct to say this is a lot like IKF Point Kickboxing?

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/PKB.htm

IKF Point KB rules:

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/PKBRules.htm

Thanks
Brett[/QUOTE]

[admin]

Dear Scott,
Is your organization a "Sanctioning Body" for Full Contact kickboxing?
Please respond to us about this by 11-22-06, because if it is, sorry to say, this is not the board to be advertising it on. Especially since we have said on the front page:

[color=cyan]"We only ask that you do not advertise other Sanctioning Bodies Here."[/color]

Thank you.
Brett
AdminBrett@ikfkickboxing.com

[Scott Bolinger]

Johnny Davis is the guy that does the IKF countinous point tournaments


[QUOTE=admin]Dear Scott,
Is your organization a "Sanctioning Body" for Full Contact kickboxing?
Please respond to us about this by 11-22-06, because if it is, sorry to say, this is not the board to be advertising it on. Especially since we have said on the front page:

[color=cyan]"We only ask that you do not advertise other Sanctioning Bodies Here."[/color]

Thank you.
Brett
AdminBrett@ikfkickboxing.com[/QUOTE]

[admin]

Scott,
I am not asking about Johnny Davis, I am asking about [color=yellow]YOUR[/color] Organization.
Is it a "Sanctioning Body" for ANY kickboxing at all?
Thank you.
Brett
AdminBrett@ikfkickboxing.com

[Scott Bolinger]

it would depend on your definition of a Sanctioning Body

my organization and fights are not sanctioned through the Athletics commission, if thats what you mean.

but if you mean, am I responsible for the WRKF events, then yes i'm responsible

[QUOTE=admin]Scott,
I am not asking about Johnny Davis, I am asking about [color=yellow]YOUR[/color] Organization.
Is it a "Sanctioning Body" for ANY kickboxing at all?
Thank you.
Brett
AdminBrett@ikfkickboxing.com[/QUOTE]

[admin]

Scott,
I'm not a fan of word games and I think I was as clear as can be in my questions in regards to this thread. For some reason, you still do not see my point so, to make it more clear and simple,
please answer the following question with a simple Yes or No,

"The WRKF is a sanctioning body that plans to or has sanctioned kickboxing events?"

Yes or No, and if no, please explain WHAT the wrkf is.

Thank you.
Brett
AdminBrett@ikfkickboxing.com

[admin]

Scott, I'm not a sanctioning body guy, I'm a web guru (lol). But I do know the IKF and the ISCF has been big supporters of not allowing amateur fighters fight pro fighters for years. so, i thought i would point out something on your web site that your Wyoming Promoter, Cory Williams is saying;

"[size=3]Our town favorite from Alliance Nebraska Ray Zuniga MMA record 0-1-0 will be fighting Albert Barron pro boxing record 1-1-0 in a amateur MMA match."[/size]
[size=3][/size]

Scott, do you really think this is right?
I don't know the worldwide rules but i don't think you can have an amateur fight a PRO and get away with calling it an AMATEUR match. Or is this a new rule by your org?:eek:

Thank you.
Brett
AdminBrett@ikfkickboxing.com

[Scott Bolinger]

from my understanding, to be sanctioned, would be to be sanctioned under some governed intity, like the athletics commission. So at this time the WRKF isn't a sanctioning body. But, if I ever add full contact kickboxing to my program, then i'd be looking at sanctioning.




[QUOTE=admin]Scott,
I'm not a fan of word games and I think I was as clear as can be in my questions in regards to this thread. For some reason, you still do not see my point so, to make it more clear and simple,
please answer the following question with a simple Yes or No,

"The WRKF is a sanctioning body that plans to or has sanctioned kickboxing events?"

Yes or No, and if no, please explain WHAT the wrkf is.

Thank you.
Brett
AdminBrett@ikfkickboxing.com[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

Of course I don't believe it's wright to let a pro boxer fight in any style of amateur event. But MMA isn't regulated in this area and my guy wants to fight him. But, i'm working on doing a write up to the athletics commission for pro and amateur MMA events. Wich I will be presenting in a couple of weeks to my City Council, and then to the athletics commission. And then MMA events will probably have to be sanctioned through them. Wright now there trying to get MMA banned and the only way to stop that, is to have them sanctioned. So far they banned it in Gering NE, and were working on banning MMA from Omaha.


[QUOTE=admin]Scott, I'm not a sanctioning body guy, I'm a web guru (lol). But I do know the IKF and the ISCF has been big supporters of not allowing amateur fighters fight pro fighters for years. so, i thought i would point out something on your web site that your Wyoming Promoter, Cory Williams is saying;

"[size=3]Our town favorite from Alliance Nebraska Ray Zuniga MMA record 0-1-0 will be fighting Albert Barron pro boxing record 1-1-0 in a amateur MMA match."[/size]
[size=3][/size]

Scott, do you really think this is right?
I don't know the worldwide rules but i don't think you can have an amateur fight a PRO and get away with calling it an AMATEUR match. Or is this a new rule by your org?:eek:

Thank you.
Brett
AdminBrett@ikfkickboxing.com[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Didn't it get banned in Gering because of the lack of security?

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]Of course I don't believe it's wright to let a pro boxer fight in any style of amateur event. But MMA isn't regulated in this area and my guy wants to fight him. But, i'm working on doing a write up to the athletics commission for pro and amateur MMA events. Wich I will be presenting in a couple of weeks to my City Council, and then to the athletics commission. And then MMA events will probably have to be sanctioned through them. Wright now there trying to get MMA banned and the only way to stop that, is to have them sanctioned. So far they banned it in Gering NE, and were working on banning MMA from Omaha.[/QUOTE]
May I highly suggest you hire a secretary to compose your petition before presenting it to the City Council and especially the Athletic Commission so they take you seriously.

Are you by any chance related to the Reeves from Mississippi?? :D

[Mike Morello]

Pammy thats funny LMAO I was thinking the same about the Reeves thing!!! :D

Mike "MadDog" Morello
TEAM MORELLO
Santa Barbara, Ca

[P.J. Reilly]

Whatever happened to that guy?

[Scott Bolinger]

no, there was plenty of security. The promoter had a person head up the security there, and there were also a few policemen as well as a couple people from the sheriff department there. The event was ran very professionally. What happened is, after the event was over, two girls got into a fight out in the parking lot. And the media blew it up and said that there was a big brawl. But, the city council of Gering was also at the event. It was just a big political fiasco. I believe the city council just didn't wanted MMA competition there and they exaggerated what actually went on and they did it well enough to get the city council in Omaha to believe them. And I got the whole event on CD and DVD. But for the first few weeks, the media pushed it for the banning because of the so called big brawl. Then there was a new write up last week saying that the reason why they don't want it there was because that type of martial arts puts there police at risk, and they don't like seeing people instructed to do those types of moves because there dangerous. And they were making accusations that there weren't any rules, and the event went by pride rules. And the Police chief made comments saying that there were a bunch of amateur fighting, and saying that there should be extensive training before someone fights. But, it was a amateur MMA event.

[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]Didn't it get banned in Gering because of the lack of security?[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

well pam, i've been on the cities Planning Commission for 5 years, and ran for city council twice. I don't like making public speaches, but i'm good at it.

Whats serious is that the Gering City Coucil lied about there being a big brawl after a MMA event, which got it banned there, as well as in Omaha and it made national news. There's allready different states that have MMA banned and people have a habbit of fallowing suit.

[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]May I highly suggest you hire a secretary to compose your petition before presenting it to the City Council and especially the Athletic Commission so they take you seriously.

Are you by any chance related to the Reeves from Mississippi?? :D[/QUOTE]

[fighterzack]

Pam,

I think your point is flying over, so I would probably drop it as wasted energy for you. If you are fallowing what I am saying.

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]well pam, i've been on the cities Planning Commission for 5 years, and ran for city council twice. I don't like making public speaches, but i'm good at it.

Whats serious is that the Gering City Coucil lied about there being a big brawl after a MMA event, which got it banned there, as well as in Omaha and it made national news. There's allready different states that have MMA banned and people have a habbit of fallowing suit.[/QUOTE]
What I find the most interesting is that as far across Nebraska as you are from Omaha, that the two are "connected". It's gotta be cause there is nothing in between!

:eek: I just can't see you as someone that would be the type to stand up in front of a crowd and go on and on about something, but ya know, from reading your posts, I could see how you would make an excellent politician! You dodge direct questions pretty darn well! :D

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=fighterzack]Pam,

I think your point is flying over, so I would probably drop it as wasted energy for you. If you are fallowing what I am saying.[/QUOTE]
lmao! i think so! hmmmmmmmm. "flying over"....... "fallowing"........ is that a cousin to the swallow? :p

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]Then there was a new write up last week saying that the reason why they don't want it there was because that type of martial arts puts there police at risk, and they don't like seeing people instructed to do those types of moves because there dangerous. [/QUOTE]
Hmmmmmm, you're close to Wyoming arent ya Scott? like the little house on the prairie kinda like, right? ....do you guys still wear spurs?

[Scott Bolinger]

You don't know me kid

[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]What I find the most interesting is that as far across Nebraska as you are from Omaha, that the two are "connected". It's gotta be cause there is nothing in between!

:eek: I just can't see you as someone that would be the type to stand up in front of a crowd and go on and on about something, but ya know, from reading your posts, I could see how you would make an excellent politician! You dodge direct questions pretty darn well! :D[/QUOTE]

[Scott Bolinger]

only when i'm with your ole lady, she likes it that way

[QUOTE=Pammypanda1] ....do you guys still wear spurs?[/QUOTE]

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]only when i'm with your ole lady, she likes it that way[/QUOTE]
:eek: LMAO!!
well, since I am not a lesbian, I dont think I have an "ol' lady" for you to ride!

[Scott Bolinger]

sorry about that, I thought because you had a mustach and flat chested looking a little butched, with arm pit hair like a wookey that you were just a odd looking guy. Gotta wax that lip every now and then, and shave that back. :D


QUOTE=Pammypanda1]:eek: LMAO!!
well, since I am not a lesbian, I dont think I have an "ol' lady" for you to ride![/QUOTE]

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Scott Bolinger]sorry about that, I thought because you had a mustach and flat chested looking a little butched, with arm pit hair like a wookey that you were just a odd looking guy. Gotta wax that lip every now and then, and shave that back. :D [QUOTE]

Well Scotty, its VERY obvious you have no idea who you're talking to..... :rolleyes:

[Randy B]

um, calling Pam flat chested is like calling the rocky mountains little hills. and her moustache is barely noticable unless the light is just right. j/k pam... :p

check it out - i didn't even have to use a spell checker!

[Pete P]

[QUOTE=Randy B]um, calling Pam flat chested is like calling the rocky mountains little hills. and her moustache is barely noticable unless the light is just right. j/k pam... :p

check it out - i didn't even have to use a spell checker![/QUOTE]

LMAO!! Randy, maybe you should have used spell check. Moustache is the French version, ours is mustache...and noticable has an 'e' in it, as in noticeable. Doh! :eek:

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Pete P]LMAO!! Randy, maybe you should have used spell check. Moustache is the French version, ours is mustache...and noticable has an 'e' in it, as in noticeable. Doh! :eek:[/QUOTE]
"Doh!" ??? Is that the french version too? Duh! ;)

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Randy B]um, calling Pam flat chested is like calling the rocky mountains little hills. and her moustache is barely noticable unless the light is just right. j/k pam... :p[/QUOTE]
Randy,
Hey, hormones are not my friend these days... i'm trying to keep it waxed, but sometimes the upper lip gets over looked because i'm healing from having my back done! :D

[P.J. Reilly]

That's hot!

[Pete P]

[QUOTE=Pammypanda1]"Doh!" ??? Is that the french version too? Duh! ;)[/QUOTE]

NO, it is the Homer Simpson version, DOH! Geesh Pam, Duh!

[Randy B]

I thought you could use a little culture Pete. ;)

[QUOTE=Pete P]LMAO!! Randy, maybe you should have used spell check. Moustache is the French version, ours is mustache...and noticable has an 'e' in it, as in noticeable. Doh! :eek:[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Scott, what is the CBA? Is it boxing or mma?

[Scott Bolinger]

Colorado Boxing Association

I believe Rex Walker still runs that

[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]Scott, what is the CBA? Is it boxing or mma?[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

So is the fight moving to Colorado? If so, where?

[Scott Bolinger]

sorry, wrong CBA
I believe its Championship Boxing (then something that starts with a A). So, he must be putting on a few pro-boxing matches as well as a bunch of MMA fights.

[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]So is the fight moving to Colorado? If so, where?[/QUOTE]

[P.J. Reilly]

Oh, ok. Do you have the complete card yet?

[Scott Bolinger]

I don'thave the complete list yet. I'd have to ask Cory. But, i'm sure we can still fill in a couple of kickboxing fights if the interest is there.

[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]Oh, ok. Do you have the complete card yet?[/QUOTE]