New Rules Adopted in Texas!!!!

[jread]

As of February 1st, the State of Texas will have entirely new Combat Sports rules and regulations: http://www.license.state.tx.us/sports/adoptedsportsrules.htm

Texas used to be in the stone age when it came to MMA and kickboxing... no closed-fist strikes in MMA (only open-palm), no Muay Thai fighting at all (no knees, no leg kicks, no elbows), only sissy "American Kickboxing" crap. Now, though, Texas has some of the most lenient rules in the United States, especially the new Muay Thai rules which allow elbows to the head! Not many places allow that.

This is great for everyone around here because Texas will be a lot more popular for MMA/Kickboxing now. Hopefully we'll see a huge increase in events held here :)

[Pete P]

JREAD,
Hey, that is great to hear! Glad to see Texas is following suit to the rest of the world. That opens up alot more opportunities for fighters living in that state. A couple points I would like to make, though, regarding your post. I teach Muay Thai myself, but have fought FCR, or "American Kickboxing", as you put it, and have many friends who compete in only FCR matches, and I can tell you first hand they are not "sissys". Despite what you may think, those select fighters are just as tough as fighters in other rules divisions. I am sure if they chose to compete with leg kicks or knees, then they would train accordingly. Also, with regards to Texas allowing elbows to the head. Can you clarify that please? I am assuming you are referring to Professioinal bouts, correct? Allowing that for amatuers, I feel, is to dangerous. I have not read the link you attached with your post yet, that's why I ask.

But, overall, I am glad to see Texas is reviewing it all and making changes.

[Jason (fight geek)]

[QUOTE=jread]As of February 1st, the State of Texas will have entirely new Combat Sports rules and regulations: http://www.license.state.tx.us/sports/adoptedsportsrules.htm

Texas used to be in the stone age when it came to MMA and kickboxing... no closed-fist strikes in MMA (only open-palm), no Muay Thai fighting at all (no knees, no leg kicks, no elbows), only sissy "American Kickboxing" crap. Now, though, Texas has some of the most lenient rules in the United States, especially the new Muay Thai rules which allow elbows to the head! Not many places allow that.

This is great for everyone around here because Texas will be a lot more popular for MMA/Kickboxing now. Hopefully we'll see a huge increase in events held here :)[/QUOTE]


Well that is great news I think all styles should be legal, I must make a comment on your saying "sissy American Kickboxing crap" though.
Just curious if you have ever fought under that sissy style of American Kickboxing? If not I think you should try it, I will come and watch your fight and comment on your abilities. We can talk after on how sissy it is.

Thanks!
geek

[Gorkat]

[QUOTE=jread]As of February 1st, the State of Texas will have entirely new Combat Sports rules and regulations: http://www.license.state.tx.us/sports/adoptedsportsrules.htm

Texas used to be in the stone age when it came to MMA and kickboxing... no closed-fist strikes in MMA (only open-palm), no Muay Thai fighting at all (no knees, no leg kicks, no elbows), only sissy "American Kickboxing" crap. Now, though, Texas has some of the most lenient rules in the United States, especially the new Muay Thai rules which allow elbows to the head! Not many places allow that.

This is great for everyone around here because Texas will be a lot more popular for MMA/Kickboxing now. Hopefully we'll see a huge increase in events held here :)[/QUOTE]


If this "American Kickboxing Crap" is for sissies, then a lot of great "sissies" have come out of Texas. Troy Dorsey, Billy Jackson, Ray McCallum, Ismael Robles, Cliff Thomas, Demetrius Havanas, etc - all Texans and all "sissies" according to you. Here's some more "sissies" - Rick Roufus, Jean Yves Theriault, Benny Urquidez, Dennis Alexio, Jerry Rhome. Would you call any of these guys "sissy" to their face ?

[mouth of the south]

why dont jread get in the ring with some of these "sissies" from the american kickboxers?? thats what i thought all talk!! it was funny though!! peace out!! mouth of the south :cool:

[Ross Jones]

I agree with an earlier post, I like all styles and would like to see them legalized. I would be curious to find out what the average career span is for a " Leg kick" style VS. a FCR fighter. I ask this out of ignorance and I'm not leading anywhere with this. It would however seem that a more serious injury could be inflicted by accident in a Leg Kick style. The numerous great fighters already mentioned certainly don't need me to defend them but they could have chosen FCR rules as a way to protect a career against a poorly located kick or perhaps where never introduced to those other Arts. Just my new kind on the block thoughts.
War,
Ross

[jread]

Just to clarify:

I am not calling the fighters under FCR "sissies", I am calling that entire rule set "sissy rules". I, as well as most K-1/Kickboxing fans, HATE full contact rules. They have to be the most idiotic rules I've ever seen. I think that allowing knees and legkicks add so much more to the sport and make it a lot more fun/interesting.

Many of the great FCR fighters were under that system because they had no choice... that's all there was. I'm sure if "Internation Rules" were more nationwide in the U.S., then that is the set of rules they'd be fighting under.

You guys need to chill out. Sheesh.

[Randy Pogue]

Surprise! I disagree completely. The rules work for several reasons.

First, because they fit what has been appropriate scoring areas for boxing for several hundred years. It fits what the audience is used to, and the expansion of the rules doesn't grow the excitement of the bout, in my opinion. I don't find someone falling over from a kick to the thigh to be an exciting knockout. I DO find that it makes fighters throw to the head less frequently.

Second, the potential for injury appears to be much greater when attacking those areas. The knee isn't going to take the abuse of the torso. I've had plenty of injuries from FCR fighting, and I don't want to sign up for a career-ending knee injury also. If that makes me a sissy, it makes you a moron. This is a sport, not MTV's Jackass. The winner isn't who can be the dumbest, and I don't want my career ended by some idiot who can't control where his kick goes.

Why doesn't this make any sense to you? I don't want a cane for the rest of my life, so I'm a sissy? Guess what, I'M A SISSY. But I'm a sissy who wins.

[jread]

Well, back to the K-1 forum. It seems that the people here actually like FCR for some reason..... incredible....

[P.J. Reilly]

Hey guys, quit ganging up on him. He makes one comment and now you're saying that leg kick/mt is an uneventful mutation of full contact? Give me a break. FC fighters are NOT sissies but all kickboxing sports are exciting regardless of the method of attack.

[Jason (fight geek)]

I like K-1, I am not a snob who doesn't like a certain rule set, I just happen to like FC rules.
I also am not the type who gets upset and say I am going to another forum because I call people sissies and then they disagree and call me on it.
Dude you need to chill out, smoke a fatty or whatever.
Don't kick me in the Nut$ and then think I am going to thank you for it.

Geek

[jread]

That's the thing... I never called ANYONE a sissy. I just stated my distaste for a certain rule-set (FCR). You see, I thought it was a GOOD thing that full Muay Thai was allowed in Texas now. Everyone else I know of is excited about this because we all hated being limited to FCR. I don't want something that is scored like boxing, I want something that is an entirely different sport from boxing. This is the only forum I know of where everyone actually likes FCR and got upset at my comments. Had I known, I never would have said anything. I had just assumed that every other kickboxer would be excited to be free of FCR as well.

[mouth of the south]

i would much rather see someone get knocked out with a kick to the head than see someone get there knee blown out from a kick to the knee! but thats just me!! if you want to kick legs join the UFC and see how you do!! peace out!! mouth of the south :cool:

[P.J. Reilly]

What!?!? Join the UFC???? That was a stupid comment. Have you ever fought?? Ever been in a leg kick match?? Didn't think so. Once again, I have fought in and LOVE EVERY type of kickboxing but that was just moronic. It's things like that that will keep new people off of this board.

[mouth of the south]

moronic!!! you mean letting someone kick you in your legs not being moronic?? right!! that takes a rocket scientist! i know what its like having knee surgery after knee surgery and its not much fun! and no i dont fight but it dont take someone to fight to know that its not good on the joints! too bad if you dont like my comments!! live with it!! peace out! mouth of the south :cool:

[P.J. Reilly]

Wait, so it's moronic to get kicked in the legs, but not in the head?? Brilliant. And by the way, leg kicks are aimed at the thigh, not the knee. But you knew that right?

[mouth of the south]

yes i knew that but how many people get there knees injured because the kick was off its target?? you cant tell me that they never get career ending knee injuries!! its easier to block that kick to the head than it is to the leg!! you are the one come on here calling names i was just stating a point whether anyone likes it or not!!i dont mind seeing people kick to the legs but the UFC is where i see it at!! i just dont think amateures should be doing leg kicks because it is hard on the joints! i wouldnt let my kids do legs kicks!! thats just my preference!! i just think it takes more skill to kick someone in the head than it does to kick them in the legs!! thats my opinion and i dont think its "moronic" peace out!! mouth of the south :cool:

[P.J. Reilly]

Mouth, I hurt my knee in a fight once. From missing a head kick! It's a tough game (kickboxing) people get hurt in all rule styles. I just don't think you're qualified enough to make comments like, "it takes more skill to kick someone in the head than it does to kick them in the legs!!" Outside of the Eastern US and a little in the west coast, Full Contact hardly exists! What about the K-1, Superleague, or even the IKF nationals? People are kicking legs outside of the UFC.

[Randy Pogue]

Well PJ, apparently it does exist. It existed in France when I fought there. It existed when I fought there again, this time with an entire team of FCR fighters. It existed when I fought in Italy in June, and there were many Italian FCR fighters there. It existed in Kazakstan when I fought there, and it existed in the Ukraine where, again, I went with a FCR team. I also, in the last 12 months, I had FCR fights fall out in England and in Germany.

Not only does it exist, PJ, but apparently it exists with enough popularity and sponsorship to pay for me and sometimes an entire team to fly over there and get paid.

Get your own facts straight before you tell someone else "I just don't think you're qualified enough..." You do NOT have your finger on the pulse of the international martial arts community.

K-1 is NOT successful because of it's rules style. It would be equally as effective if it were FCR. It is popular because it is well funded and well marketed. It is popular because it can pay top level fighters to compete. It is popular because the elimination of weight classes is a great gimmick, and it leaves you with ONE champion.

International-style fighting and Muay Thai have existed for a long time, long before K-1. There hasn't been this consistent mass appeal for FCR, international rules, or Muay Thai. It's about business, not about rules. K-1 is popular because of their business savvy and funding, not because the rules say you can or can't kick low, and you can or can't throw from the clinch. It's a silly argument to say otherwise.

[Jason (fight geek)]

[QUOTE=Randy Pogue]Well PJ, apparently it does exist. It existed in France when I fought there. It existed when I fought there again, this time with an entire team of FCR fighters. It existed when I fought in Italy in June, and there were many Italian FCR fighters there. It existed in Kazakstan when I fought there, and it existed in the Ukraine where, again, I went with a FCR team. I also, in the last 12 months, I had FCR fights fall out in England and in Germany.

Not only does it exist, PJ, but apparently it exists with enough popularity and sponsorship to pay for me and sometimes an entire team to fly over there and get paid.

Get your own facts straight before you tell someone else "I just don't think you're qualified enough..." You do NOT have your finger on the pulse of the international martial arts community.

K-1 is NOT successful because of it's rules style. It would be equally as effective if it were FCR. It is popular because it is well funded and well marketed. It is popular because it can pay top level fighters to compete. It is popular because the elimination of weight classes is a great gimmick, and it leaves you with ONE champion.

International-style fighting and Muay Thai have existed for a long time, long before K-1. There hasn't been this consistent mass appeal for FCR, international rules, or Muay Thai. It's about business, not about rules. K-1 is popular because of their business savvy and funding, not because the rules say you can or can't kick low, and you can or can't throw from the clinch. It's a silly argument to say otherwise.[/QUOTE]

RP is exactly right (hurts I have to again), but if back in the Day K-1 was FC rules we would be watching K-1 with FC rules and it would still sell out the Tokyo dome every year. It would still be exciting, and Hoost would still be making a lot of money fighting FCR.

[Curtis Bush]

FC is big in Europe. Usually they have an FC Main-Event and FC/Muay Thai undercard. It all depends on the Promoter/Promotion. If FC was KI, I agree it would be big!

[P.J. Reilly]

Randy, why don't you post that on an international forum like Ax? It's pointless to make any anti-full contact comment on this board.

[Curtis Bush]

I brought my fighter Tom "The Phenom" Poey to Switzerland in 2002 to a major event. He was the main event fighting FC. The semi-main event was a Thai fight....

[Randy Pogue]

PJ. Are you suggesting that my opinion is only valid on this board? Or that I'm scared of what the guys who kick each other in the shins will think of me? Or that they are too smart for me on other boards, and will really show me who's boss?

The issue is, you can't save people from themselves. Truth, unfortunately, is not self-evident. This year's presidential election proved that. If leg-kick fans think FCR is for sissys, nothing will change their little minds.

But, to be fair, if you want to see the reaction, start a thread on AX about what the popularity of K-1 is based on, and I'll post what I've posted here. I have no interest in going on there just to stir things up. the way it's been done here, but I'll post to an existing thread.

Just so we're clear. I'd LOVE to do an international rules fight. I think adding that scoring area would be fun, and might motivate me to train in a different way. But I like my legs more than I like new ways to have fun. In my opinion, the amount of fun doesn't outweigh the risks, even in the gym.

So direct me to your thread, if you think it will make you feel better. My position is valid and well thought out, and holds water in any forum.

[P.J. Reilly]

Randy, It's no secret that this board is dominated by full contact opinions. So you're position is going to be backed alot better on here than on an international forum. If you disagree, the web address is www.axkickboxing.com. Also, I don't ever remember saying that FC was for sissies? I said that I love all forms of kickboxing, hell, I've even fought FC twice! The problem here is, I make one small comment about the popularity of FC and everyone gets all butt hurt.

[Jason (fight geek)]

P.J.
I am not butt hurt. I even think you make some valid points.
To be honest on the Grand Scheme of things in the USA, I would argue all styles of kickboxing have the same amount of popularity. I say that just by looking at the number of fights and what is paid to pro fighters. I would not say one is way more popular than the other. I bet if Randy Pogue went out and fought 4 pro fights this year and a counterpart in the same weight division fought 4 pro fights in MT, they would make close to the same, and fight in front of a similar amount of people.
geek

[mouth of the south]

well p.j. thinks just because i dont fight that im not qualified to voice my opinion!! i stated my opinion and he said i was "moronic" and thats why i came back with my reply!! i do keep up with kickboxing and the other styles because one day my son will be competing and i WOULDN'T want him to fight with leg kicks because if he gets hurt then it might hurt his chances to play baseball and football!! i want him to fight kickboxing but i also dont want him to learn leg kicks!! that is why im concerned with it!! if a grown man or woman wants to take a chance at getting legs injured so be it!! i have leg problems and i wouldnt wish them on anyone!! my personal opinion is i would rather see a kick to the head rather to the leg!!! peace out!! mouth of the south :cool:

[P.J. Reilly]

Let's just agree to disagree. :cool:

[havoc]

hi guys and gals.
longtime lurker first time writer.

this issue has been argued to death.

with that said,i agree with p.j..

love and have fought most rules. fc,int'l,and k-1.no mt.

the point about the injuries is a farce.i have bad knees,from when i was a child.never have i had problems.and the point about head kicks and legs kicks given by p.j. was brilliant.what good are your legs if you have brain damage.you won't be walkin' or talkin'.

and the leg kicks can be very entertaining.watching the flying dutchman or hammer kick kaman taking those legs out was very powerful.

and there are plenty of of head kick ko's.look up some of peter aerts ko high lights.

and right now,with out a doubt,mt and mt hybrids are the most popular rule set going.
is fc dead?no, but it ain't the cats meow either.me and brooks and others were debating this on ax many years ago.he disagreed with me until he looked into the sales of a business he was involved in.

with that being said,making a fc version of k-1 won't sell.if fc were more popular they would have used it as their format.let's face it,when money's involved you give the ppl what they want.

and one other thing to mention.many mt fighters have fought fc and been successful.rob kaman and ernesto hoost being very succesful.you don't see many fc doing the same.

here are some cool stats.rick roufus fought rob kaman twice winning both times.fc rules,1 by dec. 1 by ko.roufus fought hoost 2 times. fc rules.winning 1 by dec. and losing 1 by ko.roufus also fought jean ives theirault 1 time winning by dec.
kaman beat hoost twice,once by dec. once by ko.kaman beat theriualt by stoppage.
jean ives fought hoost two times i believe,winning both times.by what means i'm unsure of.

[Randy Pogue]

PJ, it went like this.

"(no knees, no leg kicks, no elbows), only sissy "American Kickboxing" crap."

I'm sorry that my sensitive, sissy ego misread that as an attck, when obviously you were trying to say

"I love all forms of kickboxing."

It's true, there are alot of FCR fans here. There are also alot of martial artists as well. People who respect and appreciate all forms of the arts and all kinds of combat sports. I like K-1, I like UFC, I like Pride. I don't go on MMA.TV and say, "you MMA fags should stop grinding on each other and learn to fight," and then get bent when people don't want to hear my opinion. I have a preference for competing in FCR, but I enjoy watching lots of stuff.

I think my legs would be at risk for injury, and I'm ok with you calling me a sissy about it, but you need to be ok with hearing my retort. I don't need to go on AX and talk about it, because they don't want to hear it any more than you do, but I'm still right.

Like I said, if you want to point me to a thread, I'll post on the topic, but I have no intention of going there to start trouble, because I have no beef with them.

Here. You want trouble. Try this, and you can post it or direct anyone you want here.

Relative to Kickboxing of any sort, MMA guys have very poor standup. With the minor exception of the few kickboxers who have done well at MMA, their standup game is subpar.

Muay Thai guys generally have subpar hands relative to FCR.

All kickboxers, of all styles, have ZERO hand skills compared to a boxer of equivalent standing.

How's that? A bunch of broad, sweeping generalizations that, while not true of any individual, are solid across the sports.

Let's chat.

[P.J. Reilly]

Thank you, havoc.

[P.J. Reilly]

"(no knees, no leg kicks, no elbows), only sissy "American Kickboxing" crap."

I'm sorry that my sensitive, sissy ego misread that as an attck, when obviously you were trying to say

"I love all forms of kickboxing."

Hey dip****, that wasn't me!!!! I never made that comment!!

[Randy Pogue]

Whoops...my bad.

No need to get all crazy on me now. It was a mistake. Maybe if I was getting kicked in the knee instead of the head, I'd have been smart enough to realize that sooner.

Since I'm obviously a dipshizzle, you can disregard all of my other comments.

Sorry for intruding.

[P.J. Reilly]

Ok, that was an eventful day. Now lets all hug, kiss, and kick each other wherever we choose. :)

I just realized what I said, ok not in the nuts! :)

Sorry for the insults.

[DEAN LESSEI]

I am very disappointed to hear all the uneducated, negative posts about Muay Thai and leg kicks. I love all rule styles of this sport. For me Muay Thai and leg kick is preferred. I have sat back and read the posts by the Mouth of the South and it shows that he knows absolutely nothing about Muay Thai and leg kick rules. I respect all fighters and their rule style choice. They are ALL great athletes and have courage for getting in the ring PERIOD. How many people at the 2004 NAC in the Muay Thai and IR division received these terrible knee injuries???????? Seems like this battle goes on and on, jread was out of line for his "sissy" comment, but so were the negative attacks on Muay Thai and leg kick rules. We do not just kick people in the knee. Actually the knee is not a legal target. We kick low and high. If anyone would like to actually learn about Muay Thai feel free to contact me or visit my gym. This, my style is better than your style crap is so childish. If you like FCR great. If you like Muay Thai / IR great. We need to choose our battles and move the sport forward. Seems like we would rather tear each other down and keep the sport one step forward and two steps back.

[Greenville Fan]

i wonder if MOTS lets his kids grapple in classes. It seems like more people hurt their knees doing that than by missed leg kicks (heck i twisted my knee months ago grappleing and it still bothers me alot).

Learning martial arts involves risks of injury, learning leg kicks are no more or less dangerous than anything else.

[Jason (fight geek)]

Well said Dean,

PJ,
I saw your post at AX, and I think you are off a bit.
You should have asked not what is more popular worldwide, my point...if you were referring to it, was in the US, there isn't much of a difference in terms of turn out and pay for pros in the kickboxing market, whether it be FC, International and MT.
World wide you may be correct, not in the US. I am not saying one is bigger just in the scheme of things they are similar.
Jason

[mouth of the south]

yes greenville fan i do let my kids grapple in class!! i let them spar and do a lot of stuff!! if and when my kids are old enough to make there on decisions about fighting muay thai or mma or whatever all forms that permit leg kicks that is there choice!! but i also dont know of a school in my area that teaches those types of martial arts!! i wouldnt mind them LEARNING those styles because it would also help them if they got in a fight in the streets but i would rather them fight fcr starting out!! but they have plenty of time to do any and all types of martial arts! i know you can get injuries to knees,arms,toes,heads and so on in all types of martial arts!! it really dont matter which one we think is better we just need to get all forms more exposure so it can keep growing!!! cant we all just get along!!! no offense meant here!! peace out!!! mouth of the south :cool: :D

[P.J. Reilly]

Fight Geek, I meant worldwide.

[havoc]

well i thought we were talking worldwide.

and at one time i would agree that fc was bigger in north america but i don't know about that anymore.

[havoc]

randy pogue.
i'm from altoona,pa.
i have one of your fights on tape.you were fighting one of terry nye's fighters.
a buddy of mine fought on the under card.

[Randy Pogue]

Yeah. That was against Chuck Cypress, for the FFKA U.S. Middleweight Title. What a great fight. Who is your friend?

[havoc]

yeah i think that was his name.
and yes it was a very good fight.very back and forth.close one.

my friends name is dan moyer.it was his first fight and it was against one of the nieves brothers. a lil mismatched.

i fought some of terry's boys.

[jread]

Would just like to add that if anyone wants to know what most folks think of Full Contact Rules, here's a 7 page thread from one of the largest Martial Arts message boards on the internet: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=227955

[Ronnie Copeland]

I think it is really silly for you to come on here and try to pick a keyboard fight. You go on a predominately MMA site and ask them if they like full conatct of course thay are going to say it sucks. Just like if you go into a karate studio and ask what they think of tae kwon do, or kung fu. Or ask a boxer what they think of kickboxing, Muay Thai, martial arts in general. They will all say it sucks. Most of the old boxing trainers won't even refer to it as kickboxing they call it that kickfighting. Anyway, we can go back to the third grade and argue what style is better and what is more exciting and whose Dad can whip the other all we want. But you know what it's not going to make a bit of difference. Boxing is still number one and full contact, kickbxoing, muay thai, k-1 and mma are still in the backseat arguing over who is the best. In reality we are all guys arguing over some bull**** on a website. Will it make a difference? NO! Full Contact had it's hayday in the 70's and 80's. And it seems to me to be growing again. The IKF NAC is predominately FCR. Craig Smiths events have more than 100 fighters compete each year and they are exclusivley FCR. The stars coming out of the amateurs like Peyton Russel and Stephen Thompson will definitely make a mark. I have fought in europe and the entire card was fcr with the exception of one bout and the stands were packed with spectators. Maybe all of those people came to watch that one MTR fight? (lol) I have fought in Brazil in front of a sold out crowd of more than 5000 and every fight was full contact. I am not knocking anybodies style. I enjoy watching all forms of fighting. You guys try to make full contact a joke. We are all funny it just depends on who is laughing. In japan K-1 and Pride are king and boxing is a joke. I have respect for anybody who gets in the ring/octagon and puts it on the line.
RC

[havoc]

i'm really torn over this subject.the reason for this is because i've seen both sides and the in between.

just like ronnie said(isn't that line in a eddie money song?)fc had it's hey day in the 70's and 80's.boxing was popular through out this time but something sparked the interest in kicking again.

i think 2 things did in fc.image and lack of grass roots development.
image wise it is the boots and garb that ppl make fun of. and i think as the fascination with the martial arts faded a bit so did the like for the karate/fc connection.

i think most guys began equating fc with what they had their kids doing 2-3 times a week and didn't have respect for it.plus the techniques were somewhat dated.

as far as the grassroots side,this sport grew superstars,mainstream superstars with no one to step in their shoes because there was no ama. programs and development.

but the main thing no matter what rules are involved is that there has to talent and good fights.
and fc has had both.

i took max lestage to the ikf nationals,and i was most impressed by the fc guys.
there were good fighters from other rules,but i thought there were more better trained fc fighters.

i think(and would love to see fc make a strong comeback)fc needs a face lift and some revamping.

on a minor note i think mt and mod.mt drew less comparisons to boxing than fc did,because boxing isn't always a big part of it,so boxing fans don't compare it on a boxing level.but still feel with some revamping and good fights and a good ama. program(which seems to be intact) that fc could comeback strong.

[Randy Pogue]

Ronnie is certainly more mature than I am, for trying to squash a silly argument and get back to topics that don't divide us.

Someday, I hope to be like that.

You people are idiots, especially Jread. And some people were on here, I'm too lazy to look up who, were acting as if the people for FCR were against other styles. It wasn't/isn't like that. Just because I personally think that I would be opening myself up for additional injury, doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching leg kicks/muay thai, and I don't think it's about kicking people in the knee. The monkeys on here who are bored with FCR and get up when a fight is on are idiots, and don't have an appreciation for good fighting, of any style. It's not an opinion, it's a fact.

I wonder if Cung Le thinks IR guys are sissies because there isn't flying scissors? Would it make sense if he did? You people think anything different from you needs to be beaten down. You're a bunch of monkeys. Do you think the rules style would make a difference to Stephen Thompson? I'll give Jread $100 if he can land a leg kick before Stephen knocks him out. But that isn't the point. Good is good, across sports. If a muay thai guy scores a knockout with a spinning hook kick, did the fight suck? I've watched K-1 fights with very little or no leg kicking, but the crowd seemed to enjoy it just the same. What's the deal?

If FCR guys are sissies for kicking above the belt and wearing footgear, are regular boxers super-sissies? None of you, ever, will develop your skills to the level of a world-class boxer. Does it matter that you could kick a boxer in the leg and be done? Tell me. I want to know if it's more important to be the best you can, at what you choose to do, or if me shooting you when you try to kick me wins out. Tell me.

C'mon, seriously. Get to heart of it, you weak biitches. Is it having more weapons, is it being able to use them well, or is it winning? And how about this. If a FCR guy fights 10 different Muay thai guys, and kicks the snot out of them, will you change your mind about FCR? No, you will sit around and make excuses and talk smack. I could spend 2 months teaching kick defense to Bernard Hopkins, and he would eat up any kickboxer out there. So what?

Here's the real deal. You want to point the finger at people who are doing stuff that you can't do, and try to tear it down. You don't respect yourself, the martial arts, or sportfighting. You've never been nothing, and you'll never be nothing.

Now is the part where I'm supposed to sign off and say I'm done, and you morons can go back back being idiots. But chances are, I'm not mature enough for that. I kind of enjoy calling you on your bulls**t.

So, to be clear, I'll say it again. You mental midgets who want to come on here to divide, and honestly think that grappling is better than boxing, or FCR is better than muay thai, or whatever crap has come into your lazy brain on that particular day, are worthless and weak, you don't understand or appreciate anything about perfecting a craft, and you will never be anything. You suck, and nobody, anywhere, who knows anything about anything, thinks very highly of you. Not even your mom.

I hope you enjoy being nobody as much as I enjoy pointing it out to you.

Now I've got to go. I've got to watch videos from my friend's Tae Kwon Do tournament and the last Pride, and I'll enjoy both, while both make me a better fighter. Biitch.

[SmackMaster]

JREAD, are you an idiot? or is your argument? :rolleyes:
i terribly hate the argument you have started here! lets get some fact straight here because you are very closed minded here.
1: All styles have great fights
2: All styles have boaring fights
3: All styles have great fighters
4: All styles have crappy fighters

jread, sorry for calling you an idiot, but really, you are or at least you have been brainwashed with all the stupid comparisons by others and maybe the truth here is, your argument is the idiot. :mad:

i see it funny how you do not read a lot of crying from full contact guys saying muay thai sucks, it sucks to see guys hugging for a full 3 or 3 minutes let along 3 to 5 rounds of it. or, those leg lick guys have no above the waist kicking skill, and to the majority extent, this is true. yes, some have good high kicks, but certanially not all of them. but this too is another stupid argument.

why are we even arguing about one style being better than the other? none of the styles are more popular than the other. or wait, lets let some numbers speak some facts. look at the stats for the 6 ikf nationals. in all 6 years, full contact out numbered muay thai and their leg kick rules combined. so no argument for popularity there. what about what people like to watch? compare the top promoters in usa now, what rules are they doing? from what i can see, the crowd distrabutions are pretty even but if there were to be any edge given, i would give it to full contact, only because there are more full contact style events. argue, compare, complain and on and on, but none of this stupid, idiot of an argument is helping anyone. its as stupid as 'my karate instructor can beat yours' or kempo is stupid and bad because my friend beat up a kempo green belt and my friend is only a yellow belt in tae kwon do' you get my point. compare the individual, NOT THE STYLES!

just my thoughts, as seen from a logical perspective.

[havoc]

i do agree with you about the nationals,but it should be that way.america is after all where full contact/american rules kickboxing started.so it should be more popular here in the states.

i still have to agree that worldwide,mt and mod. mt is more popular.
back in the day you had a handful of fighters making any real money.alexio,rufus, and wilson probably being at the top.the rest were making very little.

today,k-1 fighters,superleague and others are making far more on average than the regular fc fighters of the past and even of the ones today.

and as far as training a world class boxer to fight a worldclass mt fighter.the boxers are still at a disadvantage and i don't care who they are.
vince philips,who i know is past his prime,was still able to go 12 rnds with ricky hatton.and that being within the last year and a half,two years..he beat tzyu and his only ko loss was to terron millet.
he couldn't get past 2 rnds.in k-1 max.
why?because the rules and the styles just don't match up well.it's something he was just not use to.
the standard boxing stance allows for quick lead hand strikes and mobility but when leg kicks are thrown into the equation,that stance becomes a liability.
add elbows,clinch and knees and it gets worse.
but that is not a bad thing.when you box you train to fight boxers.when you do fc,you train to fight fc.it's just out of their realm.

and there have been lots of kickfighters both fc and mt that have been boxing champs.some didn't do well as kickfighters but well as boxers.

[Gorkat]

[QUOTE=jread]Would just like to add that if anyone wants to know what most folks think of Full Contact Rules, here's a 7 page thread from one of the largest Martial Arts message boards on the internet: http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=227955[/QUOTE]


LOL. The jackass that started this thread at Sherdog (GKCFist) is a well known troll who starts crap threads and makes idiotic comments on several forums. You should see some of the crap this guy writes, a lot of his posts are deleted by the mods because they just rant and rave about nothing basically. He repeats the same comments over and over and makes disgusting sexual comments about several fighters that have nothing to do with kickboxing. Anybody that takes anything written by this idiot seriously, needs to get their head out of their ass.

[P.J. Reilly]

This thread is really becoming boring.

[jread]

[QUOTE=P.J. Reilly]This thread is really becoming boring.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it has. I'm done for good with this one.

Bye everyone :cool: