Two Styles-Two NACs?

[Pammypanda1]

Ok, here goes......... Let me grab my cup of coffee and some armour and I will get ready for the fireworks......... LOL

Everyone is talking about trying to find ONE style. A Unified style for ALL fighters to fight under so we will have a "TRUE CHAMPION". I think THAT is the force behind all of the fighting. Everyone is afraid "their" style will be dropped or be the one to have to make the most sacrifices.

What if..........

I realize there will be some added cost involved but that could also be offset by additional sponsors or other ways, but what if there were TWO NAC's?? Host one FCR NAC and one MTR/IR NAC separated by a couple of months. Why not? This would give those fighters that want to register under both rule styles the chance to fight both. What if you have fighters that do take both titles? Well, then I would say there is no question then that they are THE BEST in their weight bracket.

both NAC's could be downsized slightly, which means venue would be smaller and cost less, etc. More specific sponsors could be obtained for both. One can be more towards the east coast and one could be more towards the west coast. I know not ALL FCR comes from the east coast, but it does appear more FCR fighters that participate in the NAC are over there, so have the FCR NAC towards the east coast and since more MTR/IR seems to be coming from the midwest and Canada, have something up in MN, heck, I don't know, just a thought, but if they are spread out, you will give more fans the chance to come watch also.

I also see some of the brackets, at least in the IR divisions being better filled since there are FCR fighters that want to fight IR also.

If both dates and locations are announced at the same time, the advertising doesnt need to be more, it will all be on the same material. Some can make it to one, others can make it to the other, some will make a point to get to both.

What if fighter A, typically fights FCR has something come up and can't make it to his NAC, however, because he also wants to compete IR and that date is a better date, he can make it to the MTR/IR NAC. At least he gets a chance and doesnt have to sit out completely.

Then you take Fighter J, who is just kicking butt in her division, she wins FCR NAC and then enters the IR NAC and kicks butt there, She would be the Champ undoubtedly!

Is this something that has been tossed out there before? What would be the pros and cons? I realize the planning would be a big con, but there are so many offering to help out that two separate committees could be formed to help locate a venue or put together packages to find the best deal. If they are slightly smaller, a smaller hotel with a smaller ballroom would be cheaper and usually will give more kickbacks or perks to host something.

Biggest 'plus" I see, I feel, would be everyone wouldnt be arguing so much over who's style is "better" and why that style should be biggest influence of the unified style. A negative I see, from a fighter's view, is they will have two registration fees, and travel expenses but if one of the NAC's is closer to home, they may be able to drive one and fly one.

Thoughts???

[Randy Pogue]

Two NAC's would be sweet. I wonder what the makeup is of most teams. Do most field fighters from one rule style, or do most have fighters in different rules? It seems that the ones with fighters in several rules styles would be the only ones with additional costs, but they also stand to gain the most by being able to compete in both rules styles.

[Jason (fight geek)]

First, I like the idea.

Randy and Pam,

When you say two rule styles, do you mean FCR and MT, or would it be FCR and IR?
I am assuming you think that MT or IR would be in one tournament. Right? Or would the low kick style be uniform? A modified IR?
In either event.
I am for it!

Money would be probably the biggest issue. Time off etc. But I think if you have one in Sept. and one in Feb. or March it would be awesome. Give people time to set up.

geek

[DrewK]

Pam,

That is an awesome idea! I haven't posted in awhile, because of all of the BS on the board, and I'm training :D , but this is I believe is a great idea.

I would like to compete in both FCR and IR. I believe their are others who would like to also.

Andrew

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=Jason (fight geek)]First, I like the idea.

Randy and Pam,

When you say two rule styles, do you mean FCR and MT, or would it be FCR and IR?
I am assuming you think that MT or IR would be in one tournament. Right? Or would the low kick style be uniform? A modified IR?
In either event.
I am for it!

Money would be probably the biggest issue. Time off etc. But I think if you have one in Sept. and one in Feb. or March it would be awesome. Give people time to set up.

geek[/QUOTE]I guess I was thinking in terms of having a FCR event and the other would be a combo of IR and MTR, so still keep the three styles, or modify one of them for the San Shou (???). Since IR, MTR and San Shou are all "leg kicks", they can stay on the same event. It seems as if the MTR teams have more of a mixture of IR and MTR fighters, then FCR teams do, or am I off on that?

It appears that FCR fighters want to try both so why not let them? Why should they have to choose one way or another?

as far as expenses go and time off, if they are spaced apart, time off wouldnt be a problem and having them in different areas allows different travel options. the money issue....... we do fundraising now, so why not just do a few extra or divide it up between two, i dont think we'd be talking about THAT much more if one of the events were within driving distance. When fighters go to other tournaments, they pay out money for those, so it would just be another tournament and another chance to fight. Maybe they can drop one of the other ones to hit both of the IKF? ;)

[Pammypanda1]

[QUOTE=DrewK]Pam,

That is an awesome idea! I haven't posted in awhile, because of all of the BS on the board, and I'm training :D , but this is I believe is a great idea.

I would like to compete in both FCR and IR. I believe their are others who would like to also.

Andrew[/QUOTE]
Andrew,

From what I have been reading on the board, you aren't the only one.

I see it also as a "compromise" that leaves everyone happier. No one is giving up their preferred style for a unified style. It is allowing more fighters, like yourself, the chance to compete in more then one style. By having the event centered in the area where the higher participants are coming from (rotating cities is still a good idea, i feel), it will help build up more teams.

The expense to the IKF should be minimal. They would not be purchasing more belts then now. They would have more fighters fighting at both events and more fans coming to the events due to it being in different locations and also some will want to go to both to watch it. So actually the option of making more revenue is better. And if the IKF is too busy to take on two events, they could always allow a promoter to "host" it and take care of most of the details of the venue, etc.

[Randy Pogue]

Pammy,

I think you start getting into trouble when you wax philosophic about the IKF's expenses. I doubt they feel that a 2nd tournament is a "minimal" expense. We don't really know how much it costs to put on a tournament, let alone put on two that will have less fighters. Regardless of the fact that you need bigger or smaller venues, more fighters in one spot almost always means greater return.

Let's figure out the benefits and costs to us. If it makes sense, and there is overwhelming interest, then the IKF can decide if they can financially make it happen.

[Pammypanda1]

Pogue, once again, as usual, you are full of wisdom..... :p

Benefit: Two locations=chances for more fighters to go to one NAC or both. Fighters now go to other tournaments, this would just be one more or be a replacement for one they were attending for a different sanctioning body.

Benefit: Different dates= again, this allows more to schedule their attendance. August just doesnt work for many, especially LATE August when schools are starting. Our kids will be missing the first days of school for this years NAC. that bothers me. I want them to realize school is important and to be respected, not just another activity that should be set aside because fighting is more "important". BS

Benefit: Less bickering among styles and this talk about a Unified style could be dropped.

Benefit: MANY fighters have already expressed an interest and desire to compete in two rule styles but can't the way it is set up. This would allow them to enter BOTH NAC's.

Benefit: Less bickering--oops, did I already say that one? :D

Benefit: More support for each other since the different rule styles would no longer be concerned their style may be dropped or altered for a unified style.

Benefit: Two Locations: more areas/cities are exposed and if the finals were set up as a card to draw in the local spectators, like the regionals are set up, it would being in more revenue for the IKF, which would support the growth of the IKF.

AND if a Novice division was put into place. The number of registered fighters would increase dramatically. Really, how fair is winning a NAC title if your record is 9-2 and the person you fought is 1-3?? (this example does not reflect ANY fighters, it is used just as an example). How many fighters that are 0-0 or 0-2 decide to not come because they will be fighting someone with 11 fights? If they were in a Novice division so they know they are fighting others with similar experience, you would get far more fighters coming and more teams trying to bring along more fighters that need the experience with fighters their caliber.