Nevada Officiating- This Comedy Of Errors Isn’t Funny

[Central Kickboxing]

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I hope you enjoy the new article on centralkickboxing.org. Most kickboxing fans know the referees in Nevada have dropped the ball repeatedly. This article outlines many of the obvious errors.

Regards,

CKO

[TKD2903]

hello central kickboxing

i visited your site and read some of your articles one inpeticular cought my eye your analysis on tae kwan do and boxers was interesting. I agree with most of what you had to say it was very in depth on boxers. My opinion is that you have to look at all fighters as individuals there are some very special boxers out there. I myself have a strong tkd back ground but have been training in boxing. I agree that tae kwan do is moving in a direction of speed over power and points over knockouts this is why i am comitting myself to dominate kickboxing i disagree that there aren't tkd fighters that can take pain and hopefully i can prove you wrong. but don't stop giving your opinion.

[Central Kickboxing]

[QUOTE=TKD2903]hello central kickboxing

i visited your site and read some of your articles one inpeticular cought my eye your analysis on tae kwan do and boxers was interesting. I agree with most of what you had to say it was very in depth on boxers. My opinion is that you have to look at all fighters as individuals there are some very special boxers out there. I myself have a strong tkd back ground but have been training in boxing. I agree that tae kwan do is moving in a direction of speed over power and points over knockouts this is why i am comitting myself to dominate kickboxing i disagree that there aren't tkd fighters that can take pain and hopefully i can prove you wrong. but don't stop giving your opinion.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for reading.
Actually, we agree on that last point. There are TKD fighters who can soak up pain. The trait is just not essential to win a gold medal. There is probably a TKD fighter who wouldn't even qualify for the Games yet would would easily handle a TKD gold medalist under kickboxing rules.
Here are some more examples:
A sumo champion may lose to a lower ranked sumo wrestler in kickboxing.
A boxing champion may lose to a lower ranked boxer in kickboxing.

[admin]

[font=Arial]GREAT Article on the Nevada Referees![/font]


[font=Arial]Just wanted to assist in 2 corrections;:) [/font]

[font=Arial][color=#0000ff]______________[/color][/font]
[font=Arial][color=#ff0000]YOU WROTE;[/color][/font]
[font=Arial]2002/05/03[/font]
[font=Arial][font=Arial]Michael McDonald vs. Jeff Roufus[/font]
[font=Arial]Referee: Jon Schorle[/font]
[font=Arial]This is in the category of unfortunate errors. McDonald missed with a punch as Roufus slipped and fell. Schorle called it a knockdown. In a three round fight, an erroneous count is damaging.[/font][/font]

[color=#ff0000][font=Arial][color=#0000ff]______________[/color][/font][/color]

[font=Arial]This match-up actually happened on May 5th, 2001. [/font]
[font=Arial]Jeff, "DUKE" Roufus did not fight in the May, 2002 K-1 in Las Vegas. His brother "RICK" did. [/font]
[size=+0][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size]
[size=+0][font=Arial][size=2]The main point though is that the referee was not Jon Schorle, it was a referee trained by Schorle and requested to work K-1 by Schorle named Ray Balowitz.[/size][/font][/size]

[font=Arial][size=2]Here is what happened;[/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]In[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2] Round 1 of this bout it appeared to be a coin toss as neither fighter dominated the round. Judges Robert Hoyle and Dalby Shirley gave it to Roufus 10-9.5 while judge Dave Moretti gave it to McDonald 10 to 9.5. [color=#ff0000]In round 2, McDonald threw a wild right hand that "Completely Missed" Roufus (Clearly confirmed by the in-house instant replay) yet Roufus fell back from being off balance from a strike he threw a split second earlier. [color=#0000ff]Referee Ray Balowitz[/color] mad a bad call to give Roufus a standing 8 count which cost Roufus the round and possibly the bout as well.[/color] Judges Moretti and Shirley gave the round to McDonald 10 to 9 while Hoyle gave it to McDonald 10 to 8.5. Round 3 was a clear coin toss other than the "BIG" uppercuts that McDonald scored on Roufus that snapped his head back with violent force. Regardless, Roufus took them all as if he wasn't fazed at all and the round lasted out. These might have been the deciding factor that brought all 3 judges to give the final round to McDonald, 10 to 9.5. In the end, Judge Hoyle gave the bout to McDonald 29.5 to 28, judge Moretti gave it to McDonald 30 to 28 and judge Shirley gave it to McDonald 29.5 to 28.5. It was a war that took a lot out of McDonald but he still had one bout to go. He was the surprise of the Tournament so far and many wondered what he had left after 2 great bouts.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]As noted, Jeff, "DUKE" Roufus did not fight in the May, 2002 K-1 in Las Vegas. His brother "RICK" did. Rick made it to the finals where he met McDonald. Rick fought the entire bout with bad knee. After the bout it was discovered that after Rick had slipped on the ring canvas in his second bout of the night against Dewey Cooper, he tore his ACL in the bout. Roufus and McDonald met in the final and after 3 rounds, Roufus was ahead on the cards, [font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]29.5 to 28.5 Roufus, Judge #2: 29.5 to 29 Roufus and Judge #3: 29.5 to 29 McDonald.[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]Although it should have been a "Majority Decision Win" for Roufus, instead, it was a draw due to two things;[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]1: The STUPID half point system introduced to K-1 and Nevada by ISKA[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]2: K-1 rules requiring you to win a tournament by 2 full points.[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]Because of his injury, Roufus withdraw from the bout by choosing not to fight the extra 4th round, giving McDonald the win. Unfortunately Roufus lost to the rules not McDonald.[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Arial][size=2][font=Arial][size=2][font=Arial][size=2]______________________________[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2]The officials selected for K-1 in Nevada are requested by Cory Schafer to the Nevada AC. Schafer's requests are after confiring with Promoter Scott Coker, K-1 Japan. Schafer was appointed as a rules advisor for K-1 USA by Scott Coker and was appointed President of ISKA by Mike Sawyer. Despite the preception, K-1 USA shows are not sanctioned by iska. Schafer, like Coker and Sawyer are all employed by K-1 Japan. [/size][/font]
[font=Arial][/font]
[font=Arial]The same for the recently created Chuck Norris World Combat League. iska does not sanction the WCL. The WCL is, itself, a sanctioning body and Schafer and Sawyer were hired by the WCL, Schafer for their rules advisor and Sawyer for his talent and skill in TV Prodiction, which he is great at.[/font]

[font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]Jon Schorle, Cecil Peoples and Nelson Hamilton are all "CALIFORNIA" Athletic Commission referees.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2]Al Wichgers lives in Wisconsin.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2][size=3][size=2]Steve Mazzagatti lives in Nevada and is a Nevada based Referee. [/size][/size][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][size=3][size=2][/size][/size][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]As for Atsushi Onari, he is from K-1 Japan and YES, he made a MAJOR bad call. That bout, even with his intervention, should NOT have been stopped. This was a major fault of Ratner. He should have acknowledged the error Onari did and NOT penalize the fighter, but the referee, and in turn, should have allowed the bout to continue.[/size][/font]

[Central Kickboxing]

Thanks for this. And, Yes I did get your email.

I will be adding an article about the IKF sometime soon. I think you will like it.

Best regards,

CKO

[QUOTE=admin][font=Arial]GREAT Article on the Nevada Referees![/font]


[font=Arial]Just wanted to assist in 2 corrections;:) [/font]

[font=Arial][color=#0000ff]______________[/color][/font]
[font=Arial][color=#ff0000]YOU WROTE;[/color][/font]
[font=Arial]2002/05/03[/font]
[font=Arial][font=Arial]Michael McDonald vs. Jeff Roufus[/font]
[font=Arial]Referee: Jon Schorle[/font]
[font=Arial]This is in the category of unfortunate errors. McDonald missed with a punch as Roufus slipped and fell. Schorle called it a knockdown. In a three round fight, an erroneous count is damaging.[/font][/font]

[color=#ff0000][font=Arial][color=#0000ff]______________[/color][/font][/color]

[font=Arial]This match-up actually happened on May 5th, 2001. [/font]
[font=Arial]Jeff, "DUKE" Roufus did not fight in the May, 2002 K-1 in Las Vegas. His brother "RICK" did. [/font]
[size=+0][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size]
[size=+0][font=Arial][size=2]The main point though is that the referee was not Jon Schorle, it was a referee trained by Schorle and requested to work K-1 by Schorle named Ray Balowitz.[/size][/font][/size]

[font=Arial][size=2]Here is what happened;[/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]In[/size][/font][font=Arial][size=2] Round 1 of this bout it appeared to be a coin toss as neither fighter dominated the round. Judges Robert Hoyle and Dalby Shirley gave it to Roufus 10-9.5 while judge Dave Moretti gave it to McDonald 10 to 9.5. [color=#ff0000]In round 2, McDonald threw a wild right hand that "Completely Missed" Roufus (Clearly confirmed by the in-house instant replay) yet Roufus fell back from being off balance from a strike he threw a split second earlier. [color=#0000ff]Referee Ray Balowitz[/color] mad a bad call to give Roufus a standing 8 count which cost Roufus the round and possibly the bout as well.[/color] Judges Moretti and Shirley gave the round to McDonald 10 to 9 while Hoyle gave it to McDonald 10 to 8.5. Round 3 was a clear coin toss other than the "BIG" uppercuts that McDonald scored on Roufus that snapped his head back with violent force. Regardless, Roufus took them all as if he wasn't fazed at all and the round lasted out. These might have been the deciding factor that brought all 3 judges to give the final round to McDonald, 10 to 9.5. In the end, Judge Hoyle gave the bout to McDonald 29.5 to 28, judge Moretti gave it to McDonald 30 to 28 and judge Shirley gave it to McDonald 29.5 to 28.5. It was a war that took a lot out of McDonald but he still had one bout to go. He was the surprise of the Tournament so far and many wondered what he had left after 2 great bouts.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]As noted, Jeff, "DUKE" Roufus did not fight in the May, 2002 K-1 in Las Vegas. His brother "RICK" did. Rick made it to the finals where he met McDonald. Rick fought the entire bout with bad knee. After the bout it was discovered that after Rick had slipped on the ring canvas in his second bout of the night against Dewey Cooper, he tore his ACL in the bout. Roufus and McDonald met in the final and after 3 rounds, Roufus was ahead on the cards, [font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]29.5 to 28.5 Roufus, Judge #2: 29.5 to 29 Roufus and Judge #3: 29.5 to 29 McDonald.[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]Although it should have been a "Majority Decision Win" for Roufus, instead, it was a draw due to two things;[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]1: The STUPID half point system introduced to K-1 and Nevada by ISKA[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]2: K-1 rules requiring you to win a tournament by 2 full points.[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Times New Roman][size=3][font=Arial][size=2]Because of his injury, Roufus withdraw from the bout by choosing not to fight the extra 4th round, giving McDonald the win. Unfortunately Roufus lost to the rules not McDonald.[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][font=Arial][size=2][font=Arial][size=2][font=Arial][size=2]______________________________[/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font][/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2]The officials selected for K-1 in Nevada are requested by Cory Schafer to the Nevada AC. Schafer's requests are after confiring with Promoter Scott Coker, K-1 Japan. Schafer was appointed as a rules advisor for K-1 USA by Scott Coker and was appointed President of ISKA by Mike Sawyer. Despite the preception, K-1 USA shows are not sanctioned by iska. Schafer, like Coker and Sawyer are all employed by K-1 Japan. [/size][/font]
[font=Arial][/font]
[font=Arial]The same for the recently created Chuck Norris World Combat League. iska does not sanction the WCL. The WCL is, itself, a sanctioning body and Schafer and Sawyer were hired by the WCL, Schafer for their rules advisor and Sawyer for his talent and skill in TV Prodiction, which he is great at.[/font]

[font=Arial][size=2][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]Jon Schorle, Cecil Peoples and Nelson Hamilton are all "CALIFORNIA" Athletic Commission referees.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2]Al Wichgers lives in Wisconsin.[/size][/font]

[font=Arial][size=2][size=3][size=2]Steve Mazzagatti lives in Nevada and is a Nevada based Referee. [/size][/size][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2][size=3][size=2][/size][/size][/size][/font]
[font=Arial][size=2]As for Atsushi Onari, he is from K-1 Japan and YES, he made a MAJOR bad call. That bout, even with his intervention, should NOT have been stopped. This was a major fault of Ratner. He should have acknowledged the error Onari did and NOT penalize the fighter, but the referee, and in turn, should have allowed the bout to continue.[/size][/font][/QUOTE]

[TKD2903]

yes central kickboxing that is what i was getting at that was my thoughts when i was fighting in tkd tournements i found myself always chasing that last piont while the other fighter was avioding actually fighting me to save it. It was frustrating becouse i ussually hurt the other fighter more but wasn't a piont accumulater.

[Central Kickboxing]

Just enjoy yourself. There is nothing wrong with TKD. If you gotta chase, then chase. Experience is experience. If you are young, don't get too picky about the rule sets. Do TKD, Karate, FCR, IR, MTR and AM Boxing whenever you get the chance.

The hardest part in giving a speech in front of a large group of people is, believe it or not, walking to the podium and saying "Good afternoon." Likewise, many pro fighters burn an incredible amount of energy anticipating their fights. The ones with hundreds of amateur fights handle the anticpation better.

Also Ernesto fought in every rule style before becoming 4 time Grand Prix champ.

Best of luck.

[QUOTE=TKD2903]yes central kickboxing that is what i was getting at that was my thoughts when i was fighting in tkd tournements i found myself always chasing that last piont while the other fighter was avioding actually fighting me to save it. It was frustrating becouse i ussually hurt the other fighter more but wasn't a piont accumulater.[/QUOTE]