I do not know about you guys but after watching the Debates last night I believe our Current VP Dick Cheney whipped up on young John Edwards.

I do think Cheney had the edge, not a KO, but he pulled out a close decision... but since this is a Presdential race, the more important question is Mr. Smth, where were you after the Presidential debate? That was a KO or a UD for Kerry.
Then again for the Republicans yesterday we did see their President.
It was nice seeing two intelligent articulate people debate.
If people are really interested in good debates read the Abe Lincoln and Stephen Douglass debates. Those guys were smart.
I want one of the candidates, (either) to just say..."this guy is dumb". I want to see some more trash talk, to see how the other responds.
jason

At the beginning of the debate, I was just sure Chenney was gonna get so cheesed off that he'd drop the "F-Bomb" right in the middle of it all. If he can do it on the Senate floor, why not here? But he calmed down & faired well, I thought. I thought it was close, but the edge when to Chenney.

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Tom Jensen "Being a good fighter is ONE thing. Being a good person is EVERYTHING." -Kevin "Superkick" McClinton

Wow. I don't know what the hell I was watching last night. Was I watching a different debate? I guess I just saw exactly what I expected to see, which was Edwards relentlessly hammering Cheney on almost every point, leaving him often speechless or saying things like "I don't really know where to start." But, I suppose we can call that a victory for Cheney if you like, and start looking forward to an even stronger America in the 2nd term. You know stronger, right? Less allies, higher fuel prices, less money, less jobs, more debt for the government, higher healthcare costs, more dying kids to support big business...just plain STRONGER.

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It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
I wish people who have trouble communicating would just shut up.

Randy:
I said it was close & Chenney edged out Edwards. But I didn't say I think he's good for the country or that I'll vote for Bush/Chenney. Personally, I think those two could turn this country in to what it once was... a frozen wasteland covered with ice

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Tom Jensen "Being a good fighter is ONE thing. Being a good person is EVERYTHING." -Kevin "Superkick" McClinton

The vice president definitely won last nights debate. He was articulate and put Edwards in his place. I guess the fact that Senator "Gone", I mean John Edwards feels it is not important to be present on the senate floor for votes isn't important. He has missed like 33 of 36 votes. I wish I had a job that I didn't have to bother to show up at and still got paid. Unfortunately President Bush did not perform well last Tuesday and lost the debate to John Kerry. Do you want style or substance. True the president sucks at public speaking, but who is going to better protect americans from the threat of terrorism? I don't think the USA needs to pass any "global test" to protect it's citizens. We don't need any other countries permission. This is an important election. the next two debates I feel are important. Ask yourself who the terrorists would rather have as president and vote the other way.

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Dean "Lethal Legs" Lessei
Owner / Chief Instructor
Dubuque Martial Arts Group
Team Singto Muay Thai / Kickboxing

Passing the global test is imperative to the longevity of our country, as well as being important in your state, your town, and your neighborhood. You can't have society AND anarchy, with people going out and doing whatever they want, with no regard to others' property, interests, or safety. What is wrong with the freakin' people in this country? This isn't the wild west, and society will NEVER survive under those principles. YES, we have a right to defend ourselves, But we also have a RESPONSIBILITY TO PROPERLY IDENTIFY THE ATTACKER.

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It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
I wish people who have trouble communicating would just shut up.

POLITICS, here we go... haha
Whoever is President is going to crush the Terrorists. Do you think the CIA or the FBI is going to quit working if Kerry is elected? Do you think the Army is going to quit fighting? I think terrorism is a vital topic, but I don't think Bush is going to to protect us any better than Kerry would. That is the tv ads and fear mongering Right Wing talking. Before anyone starts...yes I remember 9-11. And I remember WHOM was the guy who started it. I can't remember his name because the President NEVER talks about him.
Personaly I don't care about the debates in their present form. If people change their minds because of a debate I fear for the country. I would much rather have people with views like Mr. Pogue, Mr. Lessei, Mr. Smith etc., deciding who wins the election. Although it appears Mr. Pogue and I are the only correct ones.
The most important thing in this country is the middle class, if you can't see the middle class is getting shafted and the wealth is trickling UP, you must be rich.
That being said Mr. Lessei, I am excited to come down and either go to your camp or watch the fights in November. I have to decide which. I only can probably get away for one weekend.
jason
fight geek

Looking forward to meeting you Jason. I tell people I don't care who you vote for, what I do care is that you do vote. The more people that vote in this country the better we can be a government for the people and by the people. I hope this election brings out record numbers of voters.

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Dean "Lethal Legs" Lessei
Owner / Chief Instructor
Dubuque Martial Arts Group
Team Singto Muay Thai / Kickboxing

Randy, I figured you would get on here. Anyhow, I agree with the Identity of the Attackers, but we all agreed back before we went into iraq, we were doing the right thing with the info we had then. Atleast the Majority of us including Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards. Some people including Pres. Bush continue to stick to there guns, unlike others who decide to jump off the bandwagon when the going gets tuff, I do not know about you, Well maybe I do, but anyhow I am one of those ones when the going gets tuff the tuff get going types. I believe deep down you are one of those types as well.